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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #120 on: January 25, 2012, 08:56:05 pm »
A poephol with one eye could see that Badseed made a mistake, 46 000kms in 2 years. Still a lot more than many others on here :mwink:
Kaboef, you justified the Dakar's higher price over the aircooled XR, because of it's watercooling and technology. Si I asked you why then the watercooled, high-tech Sten is cheaper than the GS, which is old aircooled tech?
 

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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #121 on: January 25, 2012, 09:04:30 pm »
A poephol with one eye could see that Badseed made a mistake, 46 000kms in 2 years. Still a lot more than many others on here :mwink:
Kaboef, you justified the Dakar's higher price over the aircooled XR, because of it's watercooling and technology. Si I asked you why then the watercooled, high-tech Sten is cheaper than the GS, which is old aircooled tech?
So, then that makes you the one eyed poephol.. :imaposer: :imaposer: :imaposer:
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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #122 on: January 25, 2012, 09:29:50 pm »
So I used an extra 0. Having poor eyesight is one thing , being a juvenile dick is another.
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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #123 on: January 25, 2012, 09:35:37 pm »
O come now, we're just having a laugh. don't take it personally  :thumleft:
 

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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #124 on: January 25, 2012, 09:46:13 pm »
Now if it was a KTM then 460000 no problem
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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #125 on: January 25, 2012, 09:51:40 pm »
So I used an extra 0. Having poor eyesight is one thing , being a juvenile dick is another.

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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #126 on: January 25, 2012, 09:57:07 pm »
Cool mate . Sorry . Bit of overreaction. Must learn to take my own medicine
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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #127 on: January 25, 2012, 10:14:12 pm »
Cool mate . Sorry . Bit of overreaction. Must learn to take my own medicine
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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #128 on: January 26, 2012, 12:24:40 am »
Phew this new Darker is getting blood pressures up!  :D

I must say that at the end of the day I do think the scoot will sell - not in large numbers to hardcore DS riders, but sell nevertheless. It will trade on its existing reputation, poser looks, solid bulletproof Rotax engine, that it is a BMW and 'German' engineering not Japanese (sorry Dan) ... it is just a relaunched facelift as we know but there will also be many who will be discovering it (and DS riding) for the first time. I think it lacks R&D, innovation and vision but maybe we (myself incuded) are being too critical. Lets see how people vote with their feet.
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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #129 on: January 26, 2012, 06:19:14 am »
Phew this new Darker is getting blood pressures up!  :D

I must say that at the end of the day I do think the scoot will sell - not in large numbers to hardcore DS riders, but sell nevertheless. It will trade on its existing reputation, poser looks, solid bulletproof Rotax engine, that it is a BMW and 'German' engineering not Japanese (sorry Dan) ... it is just a relaunched facelift as we know but there will also be many who will be discovering it (and DS riding) for the first time. I think it lacks R&D, innovation and vision but maybe we (myself incuded) are being too critical. Lets see how people vote with their feet.

Amen brother. To new buyer and the untrained eye the new Sertao will appear like a new model. How will it be promoted, on it's lineage or on it's progression?
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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #130 on: January 26, 2012, 07:08:47 am »
I know the Sertao will sell in big numbers, if it is not priced silly. BMW also knows that when they try go to more radical design, it does not appeal to the crosscut BMW buyer. Examples recently is the X-range and G model. BMW sells to the majority of people who just want a ordinary bike with ordinary looks and lots of back-up. As stated so often before on this forum, it really seems like a lot of BMW buyers would prefer something else, but the dealer back-up swings them to BMW.
So yes, this "Sertie"?? replacing the "Dakkie", will carry on with lots of entry-level riders that wants a reliable bike with excellent back-up.
German engineering has hopefully sorted the steering head bearings, the cylinder rear bolt and the waterpump shit :xxbah:
 

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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #131 on: January 26, 2012, 07:25:36 am »
on a tangent here, but with that name its still going to be called "the new dakar", doubt that name will take off
 

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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #132 on: January 26, 2012, 07:31:46 am »
Just because all the good folks on this forum are hard-core riding gods with the need for rally-prepped bikes with the ability to compete both on the motor-cross track and the Dakar Rallye, it doesn't mean that the rest of the world is like that.

The BMW Dakar did, and will, sell in good volume to the mortal DS riders who inhabit the real world.
 

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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #133 on: January 26, 2012, 07:56:37 am »
Just because all the good folks on this forum are hard-core riding gods with the need for rally-prepped bikes with the ability to compete both on the motor-cross track and the Dakar Rallye, it doesn't mean that the rest of the world is like that.

The BMW Dakar did, and will, sell in good volume to the mortal DS riders who inhabit the real world.
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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #134 on: January 26, 2012, 08:18:01 am »
We wouldnt have had this discussion if BMW beefed up the front forks, made the tank 22liters, and got rid of that farking ridiculous headlight.

The Dakkie is a proven design in it's market segment, but you HAVE to innovate, even if you re-launch an old model.

Then you can charge R90k for it and no-one will complain.

Slapping new plastics on is nice, but for us that know a thing or two about bikes, it's not enough.

But it will be a hit with first-time buyers because of price, heritage and after-sales service.





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Everyone has a gripe - except those that actually own or have owned a Dakar  :imaposer:

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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #135 on: January 26, 2012, 08:22:01 am »
We wouldnt have had this discussion if BMW beefed up the front forks, made the tank 22liters, and got rid of that farking ridiculous headlight.

The Dakkie is a proven design in it's market segment, but you HAVE to innovate, even if you re-launch an old model.

Then you can charge R90k for it and no-one will complain.

Slapping new plastics on is nice, but for us that know a thing or two about bikes, it's not enough.

But it will be a hit with first-time buyers because of price, heritage and after-sales service.





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Everyone has a gripe - except those that actually own or have owned a Dakar  :imaposer:

I actually did own two. Plus an F650GS if that counts for anything :peepwall: :evil6:

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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #136 on: January 26, 2012, 08:42:07 pm »

 BMW sells to the majority of people who just want a ordinary bike with ordinary looks and lots of back-up.


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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #137 on: January 26, 2012, 08:43:30 pm »
those boots don't look very practical  :deal:
 

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« Reply #138 on: January 26, 2012, 08:47:02 pm »
Whose worried about practical ... and the sheets  >:D
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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #139 on: January 26, 2012, 09:41:34 pm »
Ordinary bike, ordinary looks except for stupid headlight
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