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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #60 on: January 25, 2012, 09:43:09 am »
<yawn>

While this may be the thinking man's adventure bike (fuel capacity aside), it remains a fugly and a boring one at that.
(But that of course is my personal, un-asked for and clearly uninformed opinion)

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Why oh why would BEE EM bring this boy back? Will it really boost sales that much?

For ninety grand one could get some serious equipment that would allow for instant involuntary testicle turning . . . certainly something that did not occur when I saw old Lazarus again.





thats not really the point of this bike.

As many have said if you're into endure type stuff, get something else... if you want excitement, get something else... if you want a reliable, very capable, touring machine, then you're looking in the right place.
 

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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #61 on: January 25, 2012, 09:48:43 am »
<yawn>

While this may be the thinking man's adventure bike (fuel capacity aside), it remains a fugly and a boring one at that.
(But that of course is my personal, un-asked for and clearly uninformed opinion)

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Why oh why would BEE EM bring this boy back? Will it really boost sales that much?

For ninety grand one could get some serious equipment that would allow for instant involuntary testicle turning . . . certainly something that did not occur when I saw old Lazarus again.





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same thing honda is doing with XR 650


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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #62 on: January 25, 2012, 09:55:13 am »

thats not really the point of this bike.

As many have said if you're into endure type stuff, get something else... if you want excitement, get something else... if you want a reliable, very capable, touring machine, then you're looking in the right place.


well said. decide what sort of riding you want to do, purchase accordingly. so many people slag off the dakar, but those same people ride a certain way, and the reason they slag it off is because it doesn't suit THEIR riding.

we all have different needs - buy the bike that suits yours  :thumleft:
 

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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #63 on: January 25, 2012, 10:03:16 am »
What is the price of the Tenere?  If you are objective when choosing a bike what would possibly make you select the BMW as against the Yamaha?

I have a Dakar.  The only thing that would make me consider it in preference is it has ABS. (But the BMW abs is way overweight & oversized & the switch arrangement is plain absurd.)  This bike is now an ancient design.  That they have not updated it mechanically reflects what a flop the X bikes were. (OK the oil return line has been sorted & alternator upgraded).  As leCap says the glaring fault of the unsealed steering bearings & chip protection for the forks persists.  Have they fitted a sealed battery or are they going to still leak battery acid onto the engine?  Bike is overweight and a bigger fueltank is required as Yamaha have set a new standard.
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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #64 on: January 25, 2012, 10:03:22 am »
It's not for everyone, but I think it looks quite nice? don't think i'd buy one tho - especially at the price. I do have alot of respect for the old ones (never seen a bike dropped and crashed so much and still have no issues!  :imaposer: ) and the new one is basically the old one. The engine - if it's the x-range one develops 2KW more i think?
I also really like the yamaha (especially for the tank!!!), but i'd be interested to see the power difference (and fuel consumption difference), cause i felt the Yamaha was less powerful than my x-challenge, but that might have been the weight (i do seem to remember the KW diff being about 5KW?)
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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #65 on: January 25, 2012, 10:10:10 am »
What is the price of the Tenere?  If you are objective when choosing a bike what would possibly make you select the BMW as against the Yamaha?

That's what I would like to know as well.

Specifically buying and using a stock bike for long distance touring in the 650 class, surely the XT660 Tenere must be the obvious choice (assuming the price difference is not that big) between these two?
 

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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #66 on: January 25, 2012, 10:14:40 am »
The engine - if it's the x-range one develops 2KW more i think?

it IS the X-range engine, I know this for a fact...
 

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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #67 on: January 25, 2012, 10:24:53 am »
Different Strokes for Different Folks I guess? Just alot of strokes with the right hand here  ;)
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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #68 on: January 25, 2012, 10:43:08 am »
Jis Honne

Ek weet nie of die nuwe fiets so baie gaan verkoop soos sy voorganger nie maar...

As die tank 14l is, kan julle altyd n rooi Jerry-Can saam ry. Ek doen dit en like dit kwaai.  :laughing4:

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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #69 on: January 25, 2012, 10:48:41 am »
... with 10 000km service intervals...

By the way, the Sertao is not quite simply a re-dressed Dakar. The engine in it is NOT the old F650 single, but rather the version of it found in the X-series bikes - which means it should be a little more lively.

To compare apples wioth apples:

Service interval of the F650's is 10,000km

Service interval of the DR650SE and KLR650 (2008ff) is 6,000km uh oh!

The KLR's 6,000km schedule lists pretty much a thorough pre ride inspection (cleaning a serviceable air filter, checking your oil, brakes & tyres, pretty much the stuff you want to and have to do even more often.
The 6,000 interval for the Suzuki does list an oil change.
Do you really (want to) run your bikes oil for 10,000km ???
The (new) KLR's oil change interval is 12,000km (oh and spare me the oil burner crap). Does that mean the KLR is the best bike of the three?

Rather compare service cost over let's say 50,000km. On a DR you will need 4 oil filters @ R60, and four sets of 2 spark plugs at R70 a tot. Plus 20l of oil, 2sets of chains & sprockets and one or two sets of brake pads.

Compared with the F650GS feel free to add one fuel pressure regulator @ R1,3k, two sets of steering head bearings with some 3 hours of labour each for fitment and adjustment, valve shims and if you're really lucky a set of water pump seals, and impeller & gears also with fitment. Looking at oil. You will save a few litres of oil though ::)

You can service the DR with the two tappet covers in your slim fit denim's pockets and the rest that needs to come off in the dirt on the side of the road. All you need is a feeler gauge and standard tools. No micrometers, no valve shims, no torque wrenches.

Now tell me more about service intervals and which one you think is most suitable for transcontinental travel. Whichever bike you take and regardless of route choices you will have to do one major service between the Cape and Europe.


Re the engine: The X series bikes had significantly different exhausts and intake systems. The conclusion it has the X engine = it's got as much power as the X is not valid as long as it's got the Dakars exhaust and airbox. Throttle response of the Sertao might and hopefully will be better than the old Dakar since afaik they use the X series (or at least updated) engine management.
I do not know if there is significant and performance activemechanical differences between the X650 and the F650 single (read compression, combustion chamber, valve size, port shape, piston weight, balancer weight etc.)
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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #70 on: January 25, 2012, 10:49:21 am »
is IS 14l according to the BMW site. a bit of an oversight on BMW's part - build an "adventure" bike, then shave 3 litres off its tank capacity. The Tenere's tank is 22l, by the way...
 

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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #71 on: January 25, 2012, 10:51:23 am »

Re the engine: The X series bikes had significantly different exhausts and intake systems. The conclusion it has the X engine = it's got as much power as the X is not valid as long as it's got the Dakars exhaust and airbox. Throttle response of the Sertao might and hopefully will be better than the old Dakar since afaik they use the X series (or at least updated) engine management.
I do not know if there is significant and performance activemechanical differences between the X650 and the F650 single (read compression, combustion chamber, valve size, port shape, piston weight, balancer weight etc.)


I didn't say it'd be as powerful as the X series - just that it should be more lively. tell you what, I'll go ride the G650 GS (the non-Sertao version) and report back  :thumleft:
 

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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #72 on: January 25, 2012, 10:53:12 am »
is IS 14l according to the BMW site. a bit of an oversight on BMW's part - build an "adventure" bike, then shave 3 litres off its tank capacity. The Tenere's tank is 22l, by the way...

As is the >2008 KLR's
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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #73 on: January 25, 2012, 10:55:00 am »
Dit klimk vir my lecap is mal oor die nuweling in BMW se stal... :3some:
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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #74 on: January 25, 2012, 11:05:38 am »
Honda XR650L R50.000
BMW 650 Serato R85/90.00.
Am I missing something other than that the XR is a real dual sport bike?
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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #75 on: January 25, 2012, 11:23:22 am »
Honda XR650L R50.000
BMW 650 Serato R85/90.00.
Am I missing something other than that the XR is a real dual sport bike?

Not the same poser value as the BMW.  :peepwall:

Most of us cannot afford the BMW price tag / Service costs / parts costs etc, but its got the poser value. If I had the money, I would buy the BMW, and convert / upgrade it until it can ride offroad like an XR!  :ricky:

Nothing looks more the part than a full touratech fitted BMW. But you will have to win the LOTTO. Probably twice!  :thumleft:
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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #76 on: January 25, 2012, 11:32:24 am »
Wait wait I know .....if u dont like it ......


dont buy it
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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #77 on: January 25, 2012, 11:38:24 am »
Wait wait I know .....if u dont like it ......


dont buy it

This is not really about buy or don't buy but about BMW having performed rather poor and missed the opportunity to sort out flaws before relaunching hte Dakar.
They decided to rather mask the flaws with some black paint, new clocks and a squinting headlight. A missed opportunity IMHO.

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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #78 on: January 25, 2012, 11:40:11 am »
Honda XR650L R50.000
BMW 650 Serato R85/90.00.
Am I missing something other than that the XR is a real dual sport bike?

Not the same poser value as the BMW.  :peepwall:

Most of us cannot afford the BMW price tag / Service costs / parts costs etc, but its got the poser value. If I had the money, I would buy the BMW, and convert / upgrade it until it can ride offroad like an XR!  :ricky:

Nothing looks more the part than a full touratech fitted BMW. But you will have to win the LOTTO. Probably twice!  :thumleft:

Naah - IMHO if you are going to spend that sort of money for a mid size dually then you might as well put in a few more sheckles and get the KTM 690 Oryx - klaar. :3some:
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Re: Sooo, the Dakar is back, renamed, revamped...now the Sertao
« Reply #79 on: January 25, 2012, 11:41:21 am »
Honda XR650L R50.000
BMW 650 Serato R85/90.00.
Am I missing something other than that the XR is a real dual sport bike?

Not the same poser value as the BMW.  :peepwall:

Most of us cannot afford the BMW price tag / Service costs / parts costs etc, but its got the poser value. If I had the money, I would buy the BMW, and convert / upgrade it until it can ride offroad like an XR!  :ricky:

Nothing looks more the part than a full touratech fitted BMW. But you will have to win the LOTTO. Probably twice!  :thumleft:

Naah - IMHO if you are going to spend that sort of money for a mid size dually then you might as well put in a few more sheckles and get the KTM 690 Oryx - klaar. :3some:
(and this coming from a Beemerphile)

I suppose you will still need to win the LOTTO twice for that one as well?
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