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Offline Plothond

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Old Bike with sidecar
« on: August 05, 2007, 07:08:03 pm »
On a short outing last Sunday we came across this
Really looked as if it was beautifully restored  :)

Can anyone tell me more about it ?

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Re: Old Bike with sidecar
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2007, 07:19:16 pm »
Will check but it could be brand new, the Chinese and the Russians built versions of the old Beemers.

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Re: Old Bike with sidecar
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2007, 07:21:04 pm »
Not restored. Factory made and available on the market, it seems?

http://www.imz-ural.com/gearup/#
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Re: Old Bike with sidecar
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2007, 07:38:18 pm »
Thanks JM

You say you are technically challenged  :(

If you say so, but You're definately NOT technologically challenged  ;D
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Re: Old Bike with sidecar
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2007, 07:42:13 pm »
Google's your friend! And some luck with the search terms. :mrgreen:
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Re: Old Bike with sidecar
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2007, 08:00:29 pm »
Google's your friend! And some luck with the search terms. :mrgreen:

So how come then is every town in France & Switzerland called GENEVA ???  >:D >:D
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Re: Old Bike with sidecar
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2007, 08:03:36 pm »
No cure for laziness. :redface: :mrgreen:
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Re: Old Bike with sidecar
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2007, 08:18:20 pm »
 

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Re: Old Bike with sidecar
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2007, 11:14:20 pm »
There's a guy in Cape Town that sells these. I've ridden one and can honestly say they are horendous to ride. Terrible gearbox, wheels don't apear to be round, pulls to one side on accelaration and braking. In a nut shell, it's a piece of crap!
 

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Re: Old Bike with sidecar
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2007, 07:23:06 am »
It is indeed an Ural. Easy to see if you know a bit of Kyrillic letters (and read "RAL" on the rear mudflap)
The owner has disguised the bike a bit to make it look like a Wehrmacht R75 by removing some Ural hints but he missed one detail:
A German Wehrmacht R75 Gespann would have the sidecar on the right.

Technically it is quite close to the Wehrmacht R75.

The quality is very poor if you bought the version that was made for the local (USSR) market. They did "export versions" which were of slightly more decent build. Not sure where quality went since the 1990's and Glasnost & Perestroika.
I used to service one in my shop during the second half of the 1990's and rode it many times.

As opposed to p.s. I think they are great fun.
Sideways pull is something typical for side car bikes and is inherited from the assymetrical layout. After a while you learn how to accelerate or brake the thing around the corners.
The wheels needed to get recentered on new bikes. Once that was done they were fine and strong enough as long as the people did not abuse the bikes.
The gearbox is obviously not the Hayabusa's but it works.

IMHO the Ural's are fun factor 100. They are capable of transporting the whole family over rough to non existent roads as long as you sort out sloppy manufacture, take your time and do your service.

Pull into the next biker gathering and make sure to park noticably downhill without forward escape route.
After switching off you mutter something like "forgot something at home" and while the crowds expect to be asked for help to manhandle the monster out of its parking and wrestle it back onto the road, you kickstart, mount, throw the Ural into reverse, and while reversing elegantly, smile and shout "back in a minute!"
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Re: Old Bike with sidecar
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2007, 09:12:20 am »
After WW2 the Russians took the WW2 German BM blueprints from their slice of the Berlin pie to make the Ural in Mother Russia.  More recently they exchange these blueprints with the Red Chinese who made CJ750 - f... knows what the Russians got from the deal, can't be much - maybe the Loncin designs...... ;D

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Re: Old Bike with sidecar
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2007, 09:22:11 am »
so what is better (quality wise)

the ural or the cj750?

from the photos that i have seen the cj750 looks a bit better (build quality that is)
 

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Re: Old Bike with sidecar
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2007, 09:38:47 am »
It is interesting that you get 'two wheel drive' on a sidecar.

Makes lotta sense if the road is getting a little rough.

Having dead weight tug on the one side in rough terrain doesn't sound so nice. If the 'dead weight' can push itself forward as well I can imagine riding becomes easier...

It looks cool tho'. I doubt if it will be more than a novelty.

But then again (imo) anyone that rides a 'low rider' cruiser with a 10 lt tank is also in it only for 'looks and novelty'.

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Re: Old Bike with sidecar
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2007, 10:03:01 am »
The Ural is the better one - google their website, they have a lot of aftermarket accessories too.  The CJ starting price was circa R45k 18 months ago - now they selling for nearly R80k.  That burning feeling is not last night's curry..... ::)

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Ps The Ural is not imported to SA, so its time for rice only...
 

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Re: Old Bike with sidecar
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2007, 11:35:11 am »
Classic Cars and Bikes in Kyalami import and sell the Ural locally.
 

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Re: Old Bike with sidecar
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2007, 12:33:32 pm »
Steady is right..
They were at AMID, had a fine specimen there...

Nice family vehicle..
 

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Re: Old Bike with sidecar
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2007, 01:04:20 pm »
According to the symbol on the front of the sidecar I'd say this vehicle is attached to the 1st motorized Cavalry devision, possibly a command vehicle...which makes no sense unless the commander prefered to sit in a sidecar rather than in an armoured car.

Another problem is that these symbols were not actually painted on vehicles but only used on maps to display troop positions
and the symbol is probably wrong...the symbol for a motorcycle devision looks different:

http://www.militaryfactory.com/military_map_symbols.asp
http://members.tripod.com/33rdscb/id60.htm


...but just to show that I can ad something to the conversation and not just shoot it down:
How cool is this!

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Re: Old Bike with sidecar
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2007, 01:10:07 pm »
bring on the sand monster...

I can see the mud bitch hiding behind the door in the corner...
 

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Re: Old Bike with sidecar
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2007, 01:37:57 pm »
The old Ural's had huge square heads, so they are easy to recognize. If you want to see more; go to the toy run later in the year, the classic bike club usually has a display and there are Urals, BSA's, Beemers, Triumphs etc.