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Offline LiveInTheOutdoors

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« on: January 30, 2006, 11:21:46 am »
Hey All,

So I took a literal 20 minute offroad ride to Spes Bona Road outside Durbanville which is a nice hard dirt road with a few corrugations and a few 90 degree turns which runs through several farms and wine farms.

I was just wanting to briefly take the Katoom through its paces a bit and get to know the bike. Its after all only 300cc bigger than my Dakar 650cc, but in this case, it has almost exactly double the power  :shock: , and when fully loaded with gas, only around 20kgs heavier.  :shock:  :shock:

This is why I have come to undestand that the 1200GS - in all honesty - being around 250cc bigger than my bike, and at almost precisely the same weight - should truly leave me behind, which it doesnt at all. This is NOT a diss on the 1200 or a BMW bashing, but an honest observation. I know that the jump from single cylinder to twin and a 300cc hike is huge, but then again, try and race a 950cc road bike against a similar purpose 1200cc weighing the same and I would think that the 1200 would kick its ass. Question 1: thoughts?

My ankle is still not 100% - I have only around 60% of the motion available in my left foot and that doesnt help offroad. But, I decided to gooi the bike a bit. My Pirelli Scorpions are dual purpose tyres - if I stood on that rear brake, that back would lock up nicely, as did my Dakar. However, the extra footprint on the thicker tyre certainly does things that a thinner tyre cant. Its cool.

To swing the bike around in braking is easy, with lots of countersteer to keep it going straight. To hop from a left hand skid to an immediate right hand skid is pretty easy. But now this is where it gets interesting.

If I open that throttle - a bit - the back tyre just absolutely wheelspins. This make the bike fishtail at the rear and I have to counteract with countersteering and immediate weighting of the pegs so I dont see my bum on the ground in an instant. Its truly powerful compared to any 650cc bike offroad I have ever ridden on. But.. when it finally gets traction, it literally almost rips my arms off - despite hugging the tank and pegs with my legs and feet. Ques 2: Do you 1200 guys experience this?

The bike then picks up speed at an alarming rate, and its quite difficult at my beginning stages of regaining confidence (I have played that video, with sound, in my mind of my crash oh - 200 times easily) to thrash the bike at will with full confidnce. I found myself crawling around the 90degree turns at 20 kays/h instead of braking and sliding into - and fishtailing the bike completely easily out of it. I havent come to that level of skill yet.

The bike will do wheelspins and almost instantly hit revlimiter at 9500revs/min in any gear at anything from 1/2 to 3/4 throttle - even at 140km/h. This is insane stuff, and quite amazing to deal with. A problem I never had on the Dakar despite WOT (WideOpenThrottle) pinned. Ques 3: do you 1200 guys experience this too?

Although I mentioned this above - I want to chat about it a bit. I havent mastered the art of sliding through a 90deg turn at speed and having complete confidence to slide it through and wack the throttle open coming out of that 90deg yet. I am not talking about locking up rear, slowing down and then pointing and shooting. I am talking about the style that the Dakar boys have - know what I mean? Have you guys conquered this skill yet? I dont have the confidence yet, but then again it was a short time (25oddmins). I will do it, but its going to take a little time and practice.

If any one has, please share your secrets. I know its elbows up and all that stuff, but my goodness, its a different thing on this maniacal beast. And I know it can be done, cos I have seen it on the ParisDakar.

Thanks guys. No pics, but you should see the lines in the hard dirt road! It looks like some alien was painting his weird language in the dirt  8)  8)  8)
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2006, 11:59:01 am »
the motors are very different beasties. the bmw's boxer motor is old tech compared to the ktm. i don't have the power and torque figures (too lazy to check) but i reckon the ktm puts out more than the bmw and revs more freely. the shaft of the bmw will also suck up a lot of power. the gearing is also probably different and thats why the ktm spins easily. i don't know the weight distribution but having a heavy shaft attached to the back wheel will help with traction.

sliding out in corners is great fun, i could do it easily with the xt back in the day. but not with my feet on the pegs. check out advriders "the perfect line" section. there was a thread about power sliding.

after rereading my post, i see there is a lot of "i don't know" in it. my opinion is just that, and can be changed at any time. :lol:
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« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2006, 10:59:06 am »
Thanks Toucs

I had a look at that thread, there seems to be only like 4 decent answers in 5 pages.

I am still lost a bit as what to do. - But I am starting to visualise a plan of what needs to be done to get it done.

One thing I can say is that this thing threatens to highside a lot more than a docile Dakar. Amazing really.

Toucan do you have pictures of you powersliding at speed through a corner or something on any damn bike?

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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2006, 11:05:46 am »
we dont have a "riding tips" page...
so i will ask here...
can anyone explain in simple english, how to do a powerslide, why its necessary (apart from emergency steering, i reckon) and on which surfaces its needed to be done.
i have seen powersliding (super-motards) on tar, but is this necessary in normal touring????
 

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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2006, 12:25:17 pm »
Its just a matter of getting the weight onto the opposite peg, leaning the bike while you stay more upright.
Its easier to move around on top of a XT or KLR than on a Dakar, another reason I think the KLR beats the Dakar offroad.
Best dual sport for moving and feel is the DRZ, obviously, but then you loose comfort on the long road.
 

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« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2006, 02:08:39 pm »
Maccie.... instead of telling you, I will teach you. Powersliding is easy really.

There is no REAL reason to powerslide during touring, except for emergency.

Why powerslide in an emergency? No reason at all. Huh?

Whats important is that you learn what to do with a bike when you need to lock it up and slide it out and reposition yourself and the bike in a darn hurry. Its often when you get a surprise jumping in your track at speed, that you might panic and absolutely cake it if you dont know what to do, and how it feels beforehand.

Hope that makes sense.

My tax for2005 (yes I had a 6month extension is officially 98% done, so I am going to reward myself with some playing on dirt in the mornings ahead. Lets go to Spes Bona road, contact me.
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2006, 02:11:16 pm »
still dont have my bike... but as soon as it comes (hopefully within 2 days or latest friday) i will contact you
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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2006, 03:37:59 pm »
i concur (ooo, nice word) with LITO and would add:
powersliding is freaking cool and a lot of fun. we use to chase each other around on the mine dumps on our own sort of oval track. a good powerslide is better than bad sex anyday.
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