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XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« on: June 12, 2013, 07:39:28 pm »
Went to look at a Tenere today. It has always looked good in pics but when I saw it today I was a bit dissapointed. I know it's heavy standing next to it I can see why, it's huge ! Double silencer's, moerse bar ends and lots of other stuff just adding to the weight. The ground clearance also looked a bit dodgy and the forks resembles toothpicks. Next to it was a Dakar which I have ridden before, being around 8 years older in design I saw no real advanatge for the Yamaha sans slightly better looks. I cannot undertand how KTM can build such kick ass bikes like the 690 and the Japanese gives us these dare I say it "boring" bikes. Please Tenere owners I'm not dishing, just wish the superbike technology could rub off on the ds bikes as well. Yes 90% of us cannot even ride a 660 to it's full potential but when the going gets tough I'm pretty sure the 690 will make life alot easier than the 660. The search continues for a 650 class bike ....
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2013, 07:44:41 pm »
Toe ek my 660R gekoop het kon ek die 660Z gekoop het . Net nie van die Z gehou nie en maar eerder weer n 660R gevat.
Klink nie of enige van die 660 yamahas vir jou is nie. Hoekom kry jy dan nie die 690 nie. Klink of dit die bike is wat jou hartsnare roer

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2013, 07:46:18 pm »
Toe ek my 660R gekoop het kon ek die 660Z gekoop het . Net nie van die Z gehou nie en maar eerder weer n 660R gevat.
Klink nie of enige van die 660 yamahas vir jou is nie. Hoekom kry jy dan nie die 690 nie. Klink of dit die bike is wat jou hartsnare roer

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2013, 07:47:24 pm »
Toe ek my 660R gekoop het kon ek die 660Z gekoop het . Net nie van die Z gehou nie en maar eerder weer n 660R gevat.
Klink nie of enige van die 660 yamahas vir jou is nie. Hoekom kry jy dan nie die 690 nie. Klink of dit die bike is wat jou hartsnare roer

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2013, 07:58:03 pm »
I've done two XT Adventure Rally's on a Tenere, (1st was on an XT 660R, 3rd was on a Super Tenere, I've done all the XT Adventure Rally's) I loved it, the first one I did on the Tenere (2nd event ever held) was in the Drakensburg, the route was tough, I was glad to be on the Tenere, not once did it bottom out, it was sure footed all the way, and this was the 1st time I had ever ridden one, just after the official launch. The last even at Amersfoort I also did on a Tenere, I loved it once again, this was the first real offroad I had done since my bad crash about 5 months earlier, it reinstalled my confidence. The Tenere is an awesome machine, possibly a bit underpowered, but a filter, a chip and a pipe, it becomes another machine. I would ride a Tenere rather than a Dakar any day.....and I have a Dakar in the garage, wife's bike, my personal bike is a KTM 990....
My bike of choice for a trip into Africa, not just across the border, I mean into Africa, Cairo etc, would be a Tenere..... not a cheap bike, but high end equipment everywhere.....big tank, good economy, very comfortable, bullet proof engine.....
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2013, 08:01:22 pm »
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2013, 08:03:19 pm »
Goeie punt wat jy maak, maar ook eintlik nie.

Die Gs650 is n goeie bike maar het sy eie foute op sy eie manier, parte vrek duur, water pompe wat aanhoudend probleme gee en so, maar dis omtrent al. Enjin baie betroubaar maar voel bietjie dooierig teen oor n Yamaha xt660z, al wat ek kan se, Koop wat ookal float your boat. Die Tenere het hom self in 4 jaar meer naam gemaak reg oor die wereld en veral in Europa waar sy regte groot mark is.

Ktm 690 baie goeie maar duur fiets om te onderhou, ken ook n paar ouens wat al probleme met top gaskets wat blaas ondervind.

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2013, 08:04:07 pm »
Good to hear, maybe riding one will tell a different story.
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2013, 08:10:54 pm »
I don't think you can compare the 660 with the 690, it's unfair on both. The 690 will possibly be easier in the tough stuff, the 660 might be a better long distance tourer with ability to tackle technical terrain. The Yammie might not be a power mule, but it has enough for me, I've not needed more.

Filled up my 660 after 502km on a tank, that ticks one block in my book.

You've always liked more nimble bikes due to your preferred riding, so it's logical that you'll choose that.  Enjoy :thumleft:
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2013, 09:41:03 pm »
The proof is always in the pudding. The question: what is really out there. The answer: a lot of Teneres. From my travels in Africa, I got a lot of respect for the Tenere. It was for sure the travelling bike I encountered the most (besides the local small bikes for local consumption). Travelling around the world requires very different specifications from a bike, than say to gearing up a bike for a trip from the Eastern Free State to Natal. And the Tenere definitely matched up to it.
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2013, 12:11:36 am »
I had a XT660R first , loved it . Did 76 000km in 4 Yrs ,
 Bought a XT660Z Tenere  have done 75 000 km in 2 1/2 years.
Now d

I have just bought a new XT660Z Tenere again , maybe I`m missing your point here "sidetrack" ???

or am I just not too bright ?
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2013, 09:11:18 am »
Ground clearance: Where exactly do you need ground clearance if some dude can go to Die Hel on a Harley Soft Tail - which does not really have oodles of ground clearance? Do you look for a DS bike or a bike to climb over logs?

The forks - which resemble toothpicks - are 43mm RSU, pretty much state of the art and actually 2mm thicker than the ones fitted to the Dakar which you rate so much better ???

The 690 is build for different requirements than a Sertao or XT660Z.
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2013, 09:27:43 am »
Ground clearance: Where exactly do you need ground clearance if some dude can go to Die Hel on a Harley Soft Tail - which does not really have oodles of ground clearance? Do you look for a DS bike or a bike to climb over logs?

The forks - which resemble toothpicks - are 43mm RSU, pretty much state of the art and actually 2mm thicker than the ones fitted to the Dakar which you rate so much better ???

The 690 is build for different requirements than a Sertao or XT660Z.
You critizise a Porsche Boxster for having a tiny luggage compartment and compare it with a Goldf GTI ??? :lol8:

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2013, 11:06:29 am »
Different folks will like different bikes.  Doesn't make the one bike necessarily better than the other, just preference.  I absolutely love my "Z", we bonded instantly and when I ride the bike feels part of me.  Sometimes I just sit on it.  :biggrin:  So for me it is the best bike.  Doesn't mean it is the best bike for anyone else...
 

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2013, 11:18:31 am »
I had a XT660R first , loved it . Did 76 000km in 4 Yrs ,
 Bought a XT660Z Tenere  have done 75 000 km in 2 1/2 years.
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I have just bought a new XT660Z Tenere again , maybe I`m missing your point here "sidetrack" ???

or am I just not too bright ?

I have seen above man fully loaded for a week trip do some crazy shit on his tenere. So i wouldnt doubt this bike even though i have never ridden it. And off course very good looking bike.

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2013, 11:26:04 am »
Kinda fond of my Tenere, but then each to his own.
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2013, 11:44:01 am »
It was like when I loaded my 525 on a trailer and then had to load a 990. Man, I though I was chugging a 1200GSA around so heavy was that 990.  :)

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2013, 11:59:03 am »
I had one and sold it 2011.  I enjoyed my bike seriously.  I like to ride hard and the only problem I had, is that the bike needed a few extra kilowatts.  Still one of the best looking bikes around.  Still one of the best buys around.  Fokus en let op in die klas.
 

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2013, 12:27:16 pm »
"Tenere owners I'm not dishing, just wish the superbike technology could rub off on the ds bikes as well. Yes 90% of us cannot even ride a 660 to it's full potential but when the going gets tough I'm pretty sure the 690 will make life alot easier than the 660. The search continues for a 650 class bike ...."

Reading this and the reply's I believe the point is being missed. I have both the 640 and the 950 SE. BUT I am a Yamaha fan. The 660Z is basically a 640 but weighs more. I did a quick check on www.motocyclespecs.co.za to check the weight of the 3 biked. 640 - 154kg, 666Z - 183kg and the SE -185kg. These weights all seem lower to other sources i have check, but they are consistant.

The weight is the issue, not the quality. I was going to Buy a 660Z but purchased the 950 SE because it weighed the same as the 660 and the price was much the same, the SE being second hand.

Getting off the 950 and on to the 640, the 640 feels small and light. Both handle really well but you need to put much more effort in riding the 950.

Plus he is asking the eternal question, which bike? I wish i could get a 660z with better spec'd suspension and 20kgs lighter   :pot:
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2013, 12:42:15 pm »
I don't think you can get the same strong frame that the 660 has without gaining a bit of weight. :-\  A few kilos can apparently be shedded by replacing the exhaust.
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