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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #40 on: June 14, 2013, 10:18:23 am »
Anton, I sold my 800GS and did a straight swop for a 2012 white tennere, why...? I too was like you, looked at specs, weight was a major issue for me, the 800 was to much bike for me, to much power, to much top end, to much weight, BUT, the xt660z is not much lighter according to specs, BUT, when you ride it, it feels 50kg lighter, its all about the BALANCE of the bike, WEIGHT DISTRIBUTION, not the advertised weight, and by the way, what ever the specs say, they are lying, I weighed my 800GS last year before I sold it and it clocked in at 230kg, I started a thread about that and you must see the response from everyone, add crash bars, proper bash plates, racks, paniers etc..before you know it a 800GS weighs as much as a 1200GS. I have done die hell 5 times now with different groups, and the last time I did it with the xt660z, what a pleasure!!! the bike feels as if you are sitting INSIDE a bike, not ontop of a bike. Another bone of contention I have with people is how much they complain about how weak standard bikes are and how you HAVE to upgrade suspension, rims, seats, etc....only a small handful of people can ride there bikes to full potential like you said, the rest of us spend a small fortune on upgrading this and that, and for what, maybe it handles a tad better, maybe its a tad safer, but I think it makes us feel we might have a chance at being a better rider with all these upgrades, well, that's what I think, I am one of those, I am going to upgrade to progressive springs front and rear, but this is purely for sand riding, I know for a fact it makes a huge difference in tracking, and I am a more technical rider, don't do high speed tail sweeps, but to answer your question....the 800GS was a much nicer bike on tar and long sections of straight gravel, but in the slow technical stff the xt660z shines, I feel as if I can throw it around like a plastic bike, and I like the fact that I cant ride 180km per hour and write myself off by mistake, 140km/hour is fast enough for me on tar, on dirt I am never going faster than 100km/hour, no bike is perfect, ktm have superior suspension and weight distribution, 18inch rears, scorpion tyres, the list goes on, but sometimes you also want a good looking bike, and the xt660z looks awesome I think, yes, I wish it was lighter, it would have been even better, but like you say, none of us can ride to the bikes full potential, I agree that the technology you are talking about is not quit there on these bikes, but its all we got for now, maybe that's why so many people go for dr650's, pimp them up and you have a Dakar type bike that weighs under 150kg, long range tank, decent suspension etc...but its a pitty than most of these guys hardly use that kind of bike to its full potential, including me, need to ride more, more training courses, etc..good luck with finding your bike
 

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2013, 09:44:02 pm »
DSnewbie as jy iets van die Dakar weet sal jy weet dat die 660z nog nooit ini Dakar was nie, maar dat die Tenere dit al n paar keer gevat het en somer van 1ste tot by 10de.

En al wat ek se ori gewig is as die 600cc klas te swaar voel kry n kleiner bike of n ouer tipe bike ini selfde klas. Wat dalk vir jou te swaar is is vir n ander ou net reg.
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #42 on: June 15, 2013, 09:48:57 pm »
IronHorn baie goed gese. Wat kos so suspensie upgrade vir sand ry op die xt660z?
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2013, 09:54:57 am »
When I was looking for a replacement fore my Dakar I had a look at the XTZ. 

I lost interest as soon as I saw the weight.  Its a bit nicer looking bike but really its just the Yamaha version of the Dakar. I wanted something completely different because I had grown to dislike the Dakar - its weight and lack of off road ability being the main things I had grown to dislike.

In DS bikes, it always comes down to how much and what sort of off road riding you want to do.  If its mostly tar, with some dirt, then these bikes are fine.  But if its mostly dirt, then their weight and lack of proper suspension becomes a problem.

As an outside observer to this class (I happily moved away from it when I sold my Dakar)  I think the Husky Terra is probably the best option at the moment.  Being a tad lighter than the other bikes, with a breathed on Rotax engine.  All reports seem to be favourable.  But again its a road bike with some off road capability - its not a dirt bike.  If want to do a lot of dirt you need to get something else - like a KTM 690.
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #44 on: June 16, 2013, 12:39:32 pm »
Sidetrack to be drawn and quartered at dawn....u cant diss a king an not pay the penalty  :biggrin:
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #45 on: June 16, 2013, 03:30:48 pm »
When I was looking for a replacement fore my Dakar I had a look at the XTZ. 
I lost interest as soon as I saw the weight.  Its a bit nicer looking bike but really its just the Yamaha version of the Dakar. I wanted something completely different because I had grown to dislike the Dakar - its weight and lack of off road ability being the main things I had grown to dislike.
In DS bikes, it always comes down to how much and what sort of off road riding you want to do.  If its mostly tar, with some dirt, then these bikes are fine.  But if its mostly dirt, then their weight and lack of proper suspension becomes a problem.
As an outside observer to this class (I happily moved away from it when I sold my Dakar)  I think the Husky Terra is probably the best option at the moment.  Being a tad lighter than the other bikes, with a breathed on Rotax engine.  All reports seem to be favourable.  But again its a road bike with some off road capability - its not a dirt bike.  If want to do a lot of dirt you need to get something else - like a KTM 690.
That does all make sense Alan.
I found an article KTM 690 vs TR 650. The Terra comes out a bit soft in the comparison.
Still a nice bike.
http://www.enduro360.com/2012/11/13/products-tested/husqvarna-tr650-ktm-690-enduro-comparison/
 

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #46 on: June 16, 2013, 04:13:03 pm »
When I was looking for a replacement fore my Dakar I had a look at the XTZ. 
I lost interest as soon as I saw the weight.  Its a bit nicer looking bike but really its just the Yamaha version of the Dakar. I wanted something completely different because I had grown to dislike the Dakar - its weight and lack of off road ability being the main things I had grown to dislike.
In DS bikes, it always comes down to how much and what sort of off road riding you want to do.  If its mostly tar, with some dirt, then these bikes are fine.  But if its mostly dirt, then their weight and lack of proper suspension becomes a problem.
As an outside observer to this class (I happily moved away from it when I sold my Dakar)  I think the Husky Terra is probably the best option at the moment.  Being a tad lighter than the other bikes, with a breathed on Rotax engine.  All reports seem to be favourable.  But again its a road bike with some off road capability - its not a dirt bike.  If want to do a lot of dirt you need to get something else - like a KTM 690.
That does all make sense Alan.
I found an article KTM 690 vs TR 650. The Terra comes out a bit soft in the comparison.
Still a nice bike.
http://www.enduro360.com/2012/11/13/products-tested/husqvarna-tr650-ktm-690-enduro-comparison/

Ja comparing a Terra to a 690 is flattering the Terra quite a lot IMO. 

The Terra is basically a BMW XCountry/Challenge with slightly improved engine but some other cheaper parts (steel swingarm?), with a Husky badge.  It is a nice bike for what it is I think, but then so was the original X range from BMW (apart from the silly air shock - BMW just don't seem to get the concept of off road suspension).

The 690 is in a class of its own at the moment.   
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #47 on: June 16, 2013, 06:37:12 pm »
I suggest the OP should ride a bike before being disappointed by it. Plenty bikes carry maybe more weight than maybe they should,but they are DS bikes,not enduro bikes .
And plenty heavy bikes actually are more capable than the weights quoted may suggest. Ride and pick up a really heavy bike before bitching about anything in the sub 200kg class.
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #48 on: June 16, 2013, 06:48:06 pm »
Try doing 300ks on the Kakseat Tush Musher 690
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #49 on: June 16, 2013, 07:25:32 pm »
It is funny how all the negatives come from the non-owners...................and I would just politely laugh.  :ricky:

The 660 Tenere is not brilliant, or rather the best at anything.................but it is moderately to above average good at everything.
It ticks all the boxes.

Not something the owners of the (so-called almighty) KTM 690 can claim.

No matter how you would like to dish the bike...........it is the best designed TRUE dualsport bike that you can buy standard off the dealers floor.  :deal:
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #50 on: June 16, 2013, 07:31:51 pm »
It is funny how all the negatives come from the non-owners...................and I would just politely laugh.  :ricky:

The 660 Tenere is not brilliant, or rather the best at anything.................but it is moderately to above average good at everything.
It ticks all the boxes.

Not something the owners of the (so-called almighty) KTM 690 can claim.

No matter how you would like to dish the bike...........it is the best designed TRUE dualsport bike that you can buy standard off the dealers floor.  :deal:
....and if you want to disagree with me, don't................I'm not interested   :spitcoffee:

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #51 on: June 16, 2013, 08:18:33 pm »
When I was looking for a replacement fore my Dakar I had a look at the XTZ. 

I lost interest as soon as I saw the weight.  Its a bit nicer looking bike but really its just the Yamaha version of the Dakar. I wanted something completely different because I had grown to dislike the Dakar - its weight and lack of off road ability being the main things I had grown to dislike.

In DS bikes, it always comes down to how much and what sort of off road riding you want to do.  If its mostly tar, with some dirt, then these bikes are fine.  But if its mostly dirt, then their weight and lack of proper suspension becomes a problem.
As an outside observer to this class (I happily moved away from it when I sold my Dakar)  I think the Husky Terra is probably the best option at the moment.  Being a tad lighter than the other bikes, with a breathed on Rotax engine.  All reports seem to be favourable.  But again its a road bike with some off road capability - its not a dirt bike.  If want to do a lot of dirt you need to get something else - like a KTM 690.

 :imaposer:   :lol8: What a statement
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #52 on: June 16, 2013, 08:25:20 pm »
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #53 on: June 16, 2013, 08:29:18 pm »
IronHorn baie goed gese. Wat kos so suspensie upgrade vir sand ry op die xt660z?

Think you are going to be dissapointed if you think upgrading the suspension is going to make you a sand rider.
I weigh 125kg and my XT660R needs no suspension upgrade to ride sand. Then again extreme sand like Atlantis dunes I don't do
but have done some very sandy roads long distance and she handled it very well. I don't believe the Z needs a suspension upgrade unless maybe you are a very advanced rider planning to do some really technical stuff with it. It is a long distance adventure bike in
my opinion but then again we all do our own form of adventure with the bikes we have. If you select the correct bike for your type of adventure biking from the start you will have a close to perfect adventure bike . Like my choice the 660R,perfect for me  :ricky:
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« Reply #54 on: June 16, 2013, 08:30:12 pm »
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #55 on: June 16, 2013, 08:31:37 pm »
don,t worry to much about the weight of a bike, rather check where the weight is, top or bottom. Balance is more important
 

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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #56 on: June 16, 2013, 08:33:27 pm »
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« Reply #57 on: June 16, 2013, 09:11:15 pm »
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #58 on: June 16, 2013, 11:00:52 pm »
It is funny how all the negatives come from the non-owners...................and I would just politely laugh.  :ricky:

The 660 Tenere is not brilliant, or rather the best at anything.................but it is moderately to above average good at everything.
It ticks all the boxes.

Not something the owners of the (so-called almighty) KTM 690 can claim.

No matter how you would like to dish the bike...........it is the best designed TRUE dualsport bike that you can buy standard off the dealers floor.  :deal:
....and if you want to disagree with me, don't................I'm not interested   :spitcoffee:

Why............because objectively me ( and you) know it is a fact.   Klaar gepraat  ;)


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Well said !
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Re: XTZ660 Tenere dissapointed
« Reply #59 on: June 17, 2013, 12:03:03 pm »
So why diss a DS bike if you want an enduro? It's like complaining about the fuel consumption of my 4.0l bakkie if I use it to go buy milk and bread, or trying to tow the 4 berth horsebox with my wife's car.

My first ride on a Tenere was a sandy tweespoor with a big-ass middelmannetjie, and I thought the bike handled it exceptionally well for a DS.

One of the best true DS bikes in my opinion.