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Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
« Reply #220 on: March 25, 2014, 07:05:18 am »
Meanwhile guys have specifically been choosing and investing in road legal bikes ... avoiding the plastics.  ::)  This also does fit the Dakar analogy IMHO. No offence but shifting the goal posts may make some happy but piss others off.

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Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
« Reply #221 on: March 25, 2014, 07:25:47 am »
I think it allows more people to take part which is a good thing.
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Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
« Reply #222 on: March 25, 2014, 07:42:47 am »
So, if quads and plastics can join, what happens to the fuel and water carrying issue?

I can't afford the spend converting my 450 but If I can ride it like it is, then it's now worth looking at ........... 

I'm not really happy with goal post moving, I would have probably entered the 'new' adventure class if it had existed on day one.

Seems a bit pointless taking an adventure bike to a plastic race.



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Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
« Reply #223 on: March 25, 2014, 08:37:13 am »
So, if quads and plastics can join, what happens to the fuel and water carrying issue?

I can't afford the spend converting my 450 but If I can ride it like it is, then it's now worth looking at ........... 

I'm not really happy with goal post moving, I would have probably entered the 'new' adventure class if it had existed on day one.

Seems a bit pointless taking an adventure bike to a plastic race.


You need to read up on the Adventure ride Cracker.  :deal:. Two totally different things. Rallye has SS, Adventure not. Rallye on more difficult routing, Adventure circumvents this. Rallye timed, Adventure not..... You get my drift? The only thing in common is the name 'Amageza', the bivouac location, and some parts of the liaison routes. That being said, there are more than one entrant eho has completed the 2011 and 2012 Amageza Rallies successfully in the past on a Adventure bike, including Rynet on a BMW 1200!

The goal posts are still the same, the Toughest Rallye in Southern Africa. You still need a range of 300km for the Rallye. Adventure class bikes must be road-legal. They do not form part of the race, hence no exemption.

The ultimate objective of the Amageza is to have the same classes and vehicles competing as the Dakar, and if all 450 class bike, quads, side x sides, cars and trucks are racing there, then we can too!

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Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
« Reply #224 on: March 25, 2014, 08:40:53 am »
My understanding is the Dakar vehicles are road legal and registered? (As also stated in the Amageza regulations)
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Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
« Reply #225 on: March 25, 2014, 08:46:07 am »
My understanding is the Dakar vehicles are road legal and registered?

Nope. No way you can road-legal some of the classes of vehicles competing like the Polaris and other side x sides. The Honda CRF 450 can only be registered for road-use in Australia as far as I know. Same thing with quads.

It all depends if we will get the exemption from National Government, and also that of the countries we wish to race through, but I'm trying.

The reason the rules are still 'road-legal' is that I can't change the rules before I have a signed document with the exemption allowed in my hand.
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Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
« Reply #226 on: March 25, 2014, 12:09:25 pm »
I think the more flexible, open regulations is a good thing. The reality is that very, very few entrants at Amageza are anything like professional, so it's not like there's a huge advantage or disadvantage either way. A plastic outfitted to do 300km in soft sand conditions is pretty much a rally bike - the way I see it that means around 25litres for CRF/WR/older carb models and perhaps a few litres less for modern fuel injected models... and that's without getting lost. And then there's the weight of the nav equipment and water.

There ain't gonna be anyone pitching up with a stock enduro bike and making the best of the change in regulations to 'beat' the rest of the field on road-legal bikes.

However, it was interesting looking at the photos from the recent Tuareg rally - where, judging from the tank sizes they need significantly less range than on the Amageza - and seeing that most people went for rally-lite setups with the absolute minimum additional weight and gear rather than the full blinged out Dakar-style bikes.

These bikes are cheaper, lighter, and crash better. The course also seemed to have a lot of technical riding as opposed to straight open dessert racing. Seems to me the Dakar is heading in that direction too, for the bikes. A good direction in my opinion.

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Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
« Reply #227 on: March 25, 2014, 12:35:10 pm »
It's not the timed sections where the plastic bikes will kak off, it's liasons.

6-700k's on a plastic a day is not going to be fun. I think before a tank upgrade, a seat will be the more sought after item.
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Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
« Reply #228 on: March 25, 2014, 12:53:30 pm »
Quick update:

Seems we will be getting out Motorsport SA permit issued in this week. I have managed to figure out how to get non-road registered bikes entered as well, and will let you know as soon as I have the signed document from government for the exemption.

This means bike like Honda CRF 450 and quads are likely to be able to enter as well for the rally but not the Adventure. The latter is still for road-legal bikes only as the route varies slightly.

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Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
« Reply #229 on: March 25, 2014, 01:18:05 pm »
It's not the timed sections where the plastic bikes will kak off, it's liasons.

6-700k's on a plastic a day is not going to be fun. I think before a tank upgrade, a seat will be the more sought after item.

Seat Concepts $159! :) http://www.seatconcepts.com

But apart from the seat, is there any reason why a 450-class bike is less comfortable than, say, a 690 - especially since one can't go over the speed limit on the liaison anyway?

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Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
« Reply #230 on: March 25, 2014, 01:35:06 pm »
Well done Alexander. I can't imagine the hoops you had to jump through to get all this done! :thumleft:

MaxThePanda is right, There ain't gonna be anyone pitching up with a stock enduro bike and making the best of the change in regulations to 'beat' the rest of the field on road-legal bikes.

The argument that 6-700km is easier on a big bike is true. If you want comfort, its the better bike. If you want to finish then maybe its not (apart from the riding Gods of course!) :)

As for the question of road legal: On the Dakar you do not see indicators and rear view mirrors, horns or anything like that. NONE of these bikes are road legal, but none of them are pure "plastics" either. The bike all have to carry 30L of fuel and that turns any plastic into something that is not at all like a plastic. But its easier to ride (but not by much) than a big 700 in the technical stuff for sure. Okay maybe not, but its easier to pick up! If you want to plough down a rock river bed on a your 950, you had better be comfortable with that and fit, is all. I'm not that good so I go for the "plastic"

Taking it to the other extreme, you could easily manage a river bed on a 250 2 stroke, but the liaisons are gonna wipe you out.

Bottom line is that the 4 stroke light bike is probably the best of both worlds.

I'm still going to get mine roadworthied (before taking off all the indicators again) simply because I want to be able to take my bike cross border next year, and that will be a lot easier to do.

So at the end of the day this change in rule is not going to change 99% of what people planned to ride in the first place.


Having a few quats in the rally will spice things up a bit for sure and probably make the make a little bit more money for Alex, so as much as I hate them, I am in support.
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Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
« Reply #231 on: March 25, 2014, 02:19:04 pm »
Well done Alexander. I can't imagine the hoops you had to jump through to get all this done! :thumleft:

MaxThePanda is right, There ain't gonna be anyone pitching up with a stock enduro bike and making the best of the change in regulations to 'beat' the rest of the field on road-legal bikes.

The argument that 6-700km is easier on a big bike is true. If you want comfort, its the better bike. If you want to finish then maybe its not (apart from the riding Gods of course!) :)

As for the question of road legal: On the Dakar you do not see indicators and rear view mirrors, horns or anything like that. NONE of these bikes are road legal, but none of them are pure "plastics" either. The bike all have to carry 30L of fuel and that turns any plastic into something that is not at all like a plastic. But its easier to ride (but not by much) than a big 700 in the technical stuff for sure. Okay maybe not, but its easier to pick up! If you want to plough down a rock river bed on a your 950, you had better be comfortable with that and fit, is all. I'm not that good so I go for the "plastic"

Taking it to the other extreme, you could easily manage a river bed on a 250 2 stroke, but the liaisons are gonna wipe you out.

Bottom line is that the 4 stroke light bike is probably the best of both worlds.

I'm still going to get mine roadworthied (before taking off all the indicators again) simply because I want to be able to take my bike cross border next year, and that will be a lot easier to do.

So at the end of the day this change in rule is not going to change 99% of what people planned to ride in the first place.


Having a few quats in the rally will spice things up a bit for sure and probably make the make a little bit more money for Alex, so as much as I hate them, I am in support.

looking at the Quad interest for Namaqua - maybe its worth considering , some good entries from up north & six of us WCOC members are busy modifying ours for Namaqua however if the Amageza can cater for quads , sure we will try be there.
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Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
« Reply #232 on: March 25, 2014, 03:39:04 pm »
As long as you promise not to ride in front of me ;D
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Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
« Reply #233 on: March 25, 2014, 05:00:40 pm »
As long as you promise not to ride in front of me ;D
haha why are you worried about dust - it is Africa after all, take is as it comes  :thumleft:
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Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
« Reply #234 on: March 31, 2014, 07:04:44 am »
Got a chance to save a animal over the weekend while on Amageza business!!

While working on some routes we passed this unfortunate Ostrich. Seems the guy jumped the fence and got his foot caught in the top wire. We have no idea how long it had been there but it looked exhausted.

So keeping the helmet on, and armed with wire-cutters we went as close as we could and cut the wire. After some coaching the ostrich stood up and ran off, still with some wires around the left foot. At least it can get to food and water now.

Hopefully the farmer or workers notice it, catch the fence-jumper and can fully clear the wire.

That's the Amageza Animal Rescue count up to two. One calf and one ostrich!
 

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Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
« Reply #235 on: March 31, 2014, 08:34:49 am »
good on ya mate!
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« Reply #236 on: March 31, 2014, 11:28:34 am »
Lean pickings - Not much but stones for that poor arsestretch to nibble  ::)
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Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
« Reply #238 on: April 01, 2014, 03:16:44 pm »
300km!!!
That is 30L of fuel for my WR! At what cost will I manage to mod the bike to carry 30L. That's the main reason why I will/cannot do the Amageza...  :dousing:

200km, now that's much more doable  :pot:

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Re: 2014 Amageza Rallye
« Reply #239 on: April 01, 2014, 03:17:58 pm »
300km!!!
That is 30L of fuel for my WR! At what cost will I manage to mod the bike to carry 30L. That's the main reason why I will/cannot do the Amageza...  :dousing:

200km, now that's much more doable  :pot:

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