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Offline JeanDV

Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
« on: June 09, 2014, 01:48:37 pm »
Kort n bietjie hulp en advies...

I am looking at getting my first bike for commuting and also doing weekend trips with friends.
I have been looking at the xr125l of late and read mostly good reviews on WD.

I am also considering a 2T and have looked at a Yamaha DT125.
Any advise would be appreciated!

Yamaha DT 125 - 2003-2009 2T
Brakes: Drum/Drum
Fuel Tank: 9.5l
Fuel efficiency: >

Honda XR 125 - 2010/2011 4T
Brakes: Drum/Disc
Fuel Tank: 12l
Fuel efficiency: 32-35 km/l

What I want to do/know:

1. Commute
2. Do some weekend trips 200-400km?
3. Will be my first bike so want to ride the hell out of it - DIY maintenance?
4. Is the fuel/oil mix in a 2T such a hassle?
5. Wear on 2 stroke engine much worse?
6. km/l for the 2 stroke.

Cheers!
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« Last Edit: June 09, 2014, 01:50:34 pm by JeanDV »
 

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Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2014, 01:53:12 pm »
I had the XR125 for a short while & really enjoyed it. Many of them has been used & abused as everyday bikes as well as seriously long gravel travels here on the forum. two people who really rode far on theirs was Ettienne2T & Dusty Rusty.

Also consider the Yamaha XTZ125. They have 21 inch front wheels, but no luggage rack. (but just pooratech one yourself, or make another one fit.) They are seriously bulletproof mechanically. Frannarossi has one for his sons to ride, and they have been abusing that thing for years now. Two years ago it's speedo cable broke at something around 30 000kms. Still going strong!

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Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2014, 02:02:57 pm »
i don't know the Yamaha's, except that they are Yamaha's. have an XR125 and really love the little bike. Tough, but you must look after it like any machine. have done day trips but only up to about 250km. real going nowhere slowly. Small bike so it makes you tired.

As a first bike for a year or so, nothing wrong with it.
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Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2014, 02:08:28 pm »
XR125, super tuff and reliable. Plenty AM mechanical spares available. My wife did over 10000k's long distance on hers. Changed the sprocket, am exhaust and airbox mod.
 

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Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2014, 02:09:26 pm »
Like you guys said, no one can really fault the xr125 as it is what it is and still fun.
Any thoughts RE the Yamaha DT 125 (2T) ?

 

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Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2014, 02:12:37 pm »
Why 125cc and not 250cc or similar?
 

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Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2014, 02:18:13 pm »
Why 125cc and not 250cc or similar?

No reason, just had these two bikes offered to me at good price.
And maybe just to teach myself the basics.
 

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Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2014, 02:22:46 pm »
Like you guys said, no one can really fault the xr125 as it is what it is and still fun.
Any thoughts RE the Yamaha DT 125 (2T) ?



DT is a great bike. I am not too sure about how happy it would be travelling a long distance at full tilt. For pure commuting both are fine.
 

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Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2014, 02:44:56 pm »
2T is going to burn more fuel, needs 2t oil. It does perform a bit better.
4T is easier to use, ie. fuel and go.
I'd go with XR or XT 125, however, how big are you? If you weigh over 80kg, you're going to be revving the guts out of the 125.
In that case, look at a 230 or 250.
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Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2014, 02:57:50 pm »
2T is going to burn more fuel, needs 2t oil. It does perform a bit better.
4T is easier to use, ie. fuel and go.
I'd go with XR or XT 125, however, how big are you? If you weigh over 80kg, you're going to be revving the guts out of the 125.
In that case, look at a 230 or 250.


Sounds like 2T is more rough and power but 4T better for longer trips, which I would like to do.
Weigh about 76kg. So 125 should suffice?
 

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Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2014, 05:39:54 pm »
125cc is to small if you are going to commute. Look more at 200cc - 400cc maybe.
Something like the DR200 perhaps.
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Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2014, 05:51:09 pm »
Backflips will be easier on the XR
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Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2014, 06:58:17 pm »
Backflips will be easier on the XR

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I think if I pick up a good deal I'll take the 125cc and ride it for a year or so to build skill and confidence?

Have bailed from a motorcycle twice in my life, both on the same trip in South Sudan. Hopefully the 125cc
will be forgiving and not get me into too big of a mess.... small mess is fine :ricky:
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Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2014, 07:00:41 pm »
125cc is to small if you are going to commute. Look more at 200cc - 400cc maybe.
Something like the DR200 perhaps.

Jean, subie is right.  The 125 does not have enough power to accelerate from cars in normal situation in traffic, which is downright dangerous because the cars get impatient and want to push you off the road.

Get 250 cc at least.

If you only want to commute - get a Yamaha SR 250 - a classic forever.  If you want to ride the odd gravel road and trail - get anything from a XT 230/250, XR 250, DR 250, KLR 250 Djebel, Raid, Baja. They will all work - promise you  

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Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2014, 07:04:52 pm »
Good point Kilroy, I am 29.

I do like the DR200/250 and especially the Djebel. Those bikes from the 90's are solid as a rock right, mostly
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Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2014, 08:56:24 am »
125cc is to small if you are going to commute. Look more at 200cc - 400cc maybe.
Something like the DR200 perhaps.

Jean, subie is right.  The 125 does not have enough power to accelerate from cars in normal situation in traffic, which is downright dangerous because the cars get impatient and want to push you off the road.

Get 250 cc at least.

If you only want to commute - get a Yamaha SR 250 - a classic forever.  If you want to ride the odd gravel road and trail - get anything from a XT 230/250, XR 250, DR 250, KLR 250 Djebel, Raid, Baja. They will all work - promise you  

How old are you?

The XR125 works as a commuter BUT ONLY IF YOU DON'T DO ANY OPEN HIGHWAY STYLE COMMUTE!!!
Mrs. Le Cap does Cape Town Northern Suburbs to Mowbray all 60km/h roads and all usually more or less bumper to bumper with the XR.
Away from the traffic lights you will be ahead of all the snoozing folk in their cages unless you have a youngster in a GTI or daddy's G-string dicing you ::)

The bike rides fine. I am pleasantly surprised with the Honda's build quality (People warned me. I can't flaw it. It's a Honda after all, although build in China). Good brakes, suspension does its job (feel free to compare with some Chinese DS bikes).

The XR is fine for day trips. We did Cape Point and an overnighter CT - Hermanus - CT via back roads. It's probably fine for long trips too if you don't know anything else :D Just stay off the freeways.

The DR200 is a great bike too. Just needs to get returned from the Agri status to DS if you buy a  new one. Faster than the 125 (obviously, it makes almost twice as much power) but still: Stay off the freeway.
We had a Djebel 200 and did an eight day 2000km round trip on dirt (where ever possible) - great! Second bike on the trip was one of my DR650SE's. The DR200 is capable of keeping up with bigger bikes on dirt unless you go and ride with the Dakar heroes.


Both the 125 and the 200 are fine to keep as commuters & run around for town once you feel you need a bigger bike for touring.

The Djebel XC is a very nice bike but it's got some limitations:
You won't be able to keep up with the big bikes. It will make 120 though if it has to.
It's not available new and was never officially sold by Suzuki SA. Means they are a bit scarce and the agents might give you a bit of a run around should you need parts.
Slightly more complex to service than the XR125 and DR200.

I am surprised no one has asked yet the most important question: What is your budget?
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Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2014, 09:44:28 am »
Why 125cc and not 250cc or similar?

No reason, just had these two bikes offered to me at good price.
And maybe just to teach myself the basics.

That 125 is going to make you tired, you will grow out of it real quick. Rather if your budged allow go for a DR200 which is already a real adventure bike or something bigger. The 125's are great but although topspeed will be 90 (up to 100) you will only be able to cruise at 70 otherwise you will labour the machine. The 125 will see a slight uphill before you do as well
 

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« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2014, 11:27:01 am »
Budget... ahh yes. Such a lovely little bugger. Self employed and first bike combined pushes me towards the xr125. Can get a 2011 xr125 with 1100km for R10k. That's pretty good me thinks!👍::)
 

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Re: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2014, 11:29:18 am »
Budget... ahh yes. Such a lovely little bugger. Self employed and first bike combined pushes me towards the xr125. Can get a 2011 xr125 with 1100km for R10k. That's pretty good me thinks!👍::)

Bargain!
 

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Re: Re: Advise on first bike and options - 125cc!?
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2014, 11:30:52 am »
Budget... ahh yes. Such a lovely little bugger. Self employed and first bike combined pushes me towards the xr125. Can get a 2011 xr125 with 1100km for R10k. That's pretty good me thinks!👍::)

Good price. If you can be patient you can pick up a 200 Djebel for between R12K and R14k. I weigh over 90kg and could cruise at 110km/h with my daughter's one.
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