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Offline frodo1985

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F650GS or R1200GS
« on: August 03, 2014, 08:08:15 am »
Hi,

I have located a BMW F650 GS with only 2000km on the clock. It is a 2008 facelifted twin spark model.

I have also located a 2008 R1200 GS with 72000km on the odo.

The 650 is priced at R55 000, including many extras such as crashbars, grip guards, sump protector, gps cradle and gps, top box.

The 1200 only has a top box on and is priced at R73000 including a bike trailer.

This will be my first bike. I intend o  riding short distances in and around Pretoria with it and doing a bit of gravel road driving from time to time.

Is the price right for these 2 bikes respectively?

Which one would be the better buy.

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Re: F650GS or R1200GS
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2014, 08:14:05 am »
If its your 1st bike I would go with the 650 and see how you go and what you enjoy about biking.You can always upgrade if you feel the need to.

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Re: F650GS or R1200GS
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2014, 10:14:04 am »
Both priced excellent. :thumleft:
Paid R60 000 for a 2008 Twin with 16000km, so R55 000 is well priced.
Regarding the 2008 GS...paid R90 000 for one with 22000km's. So even with over 70 000km it is very well priced.


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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2014, 10:58:29 am »
Buy the 1200 and get it over with. If you buy the 650 it will not be long before you will want to move to the 1200. Do not be intimmidated by the size our the 1200. Handles just as effortslessly as the 650. Nothing wrong with the 650 though and if however you decide to go that route if you stick to the bmw you will not loose money if you decide to sell it. Good luck with your choice.
 

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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2014, 11:02:54 am »
The 650 twin is a nice engine and at that low km it is as good as new.

At 72000km on the 1200 you can start to expect age and milage related repairs.

I would go with the 650.

My 650 single has done 100 000km and Im still happy so dont listen to all the nay sayers
 

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Re: F650GS or R1200GS
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2014, 11:59:55 am »
If you plan to have someone on the back,go for the 1200.
You will just need that extra power.
 

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Re: F650GS or R1200GS
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2014, 12:56:11 pm »
F650GS - sure milage is 2000 and not 20 000?  If indeed the former, how long has it been standing for?  Not good for the seals etc. if it has been standing for a few years unless it was prepped properly for extended storage.
50K for the 650 with 20 000km and the extra's mentioned is still very good.
Yep, if you planning to pillion often (esp for overnight trips), the extra power & space of the 1200 would be better... Unless she is into riding as well, in which case buy 2 x F650gs  ;D
   
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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2014, 01:34:18 pm »
Thanks for all the comments so far.

Yes, the mileage is 2000 (two thousand).

From what I gather it's been standing for 2 or 3 years.

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Re: F650GS or R1200GS
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2014, 06:56:58 pm »
To throw a spanner in the wheels, I have now found a 2008 R1200GS with 76000km on the clock.  It is yellow in color.

The bike has 2 x panniers, a topbox, spotlights and light protector on.

I am not sure if the ESA, ASC, ABS and Heated grips were standard on these bikes, but it also has that on.  Maybe someone can clarify?

The bike is available at R87 000.

Is this a good buy?

What should one look out for and is there anything to lookout for?
 

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Re: F650GS or R1200GS
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2014, 11:26:46 am »
To throw a spanner in the wheels, I have now found a 2008 R1200GS with 76000km on the clock.  It is yellow in color.

The bike has 2 x panniers, a topbox, spotlights and light protector on.

I am not sure if the ESA, ASC, ABS and Heated grips were standard on these bikes, but it also has that on.  Maybe someone can clarify?

The bike is available at R87 000.

Is this a good buy?

What should one look out for and is there anything to lookout for?

Hi Frodo,

Like the pic attached?

As far as I know, it was standard on these bikes. If you didn't want ABS etc, you could have ordered it like that. I myself have a 2008 R1200GS. The price for the km's sounds a little bit high, but it might be the extras like the panniers, topbox etc that is included?

I paid R90 000 for mine (but that was 2 years ago) with 20 000km on, but no extras. The panniers, spotlights and topbox (2nd hand) is worth roughly R8 000.
So if you like the extras, I guess the price is not too bad, without the extras I would offer the seller R80 000.

Make sure it has a service record, then it should be fine.

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Re: F650GS or R1200GS
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2014, 11:39:49 am »
Hi,

I have located a BMW F650 GS with only 2000km on the clock. It is a 2008 facelifted twin spark model.


Twin spark, or twin cylinder? 
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Re: F650GS or R1200GS
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2014, 01:03:41 pm »
I am not sure what your riding capabilities are and what size your body is.

A friend of mine bought a GS800 some time ago which was too much for him to handle with his skill level.  He haven't rode a lot of bikes in his life.  He have a short regular built posture, with his toes touching the ground as he sits on the bike...

This is for your own information only, he is considering to sell his bike, I still urge him to keep it and ride more, but he have developed some sort of fear for this machine.

My 2c, if you are a relative tall guy, you will probably manage the 1200 in the learning phase, if you are short with minor skill level rather get the 650 and build up confidence and riding experience. :thumleft:

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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2014, 10:47:31 pm »
To throw a spanner in the wheels, I have now found a 2008 R1200GS with 76000km on the clock.  It is yellow in color.

The bike has 2 x panniers, a topbox, spotlights and light protector on.

I am not sure if the ESA, ASC, ABS and Heated grips were standard on these bikes, but it also has that on.  Maybe someone can clarify?

The bike is available at R87 000.

Is this a good buy?

What should one look out for and is there anything to lookout for?

Hi Frodo,

Like the pic attached?

As far as I know, it was standard on these bikes. If you didn't want ABS etc, you could have ordered it like that. I myself have a 2008 R1200GS. The price for the km's sounds a little bit high, but it might be the extras like the panniers, topbox etc that is included?

I paid R90 000 for mine (but that was 2 years ago) with 20 000km on, but no extras. The panniers, spotlights and topbox (2nd hand) is worth roughly R8 000.
So if you like the extras, I guess the price is not too bad, without the extras I would offer the seller R80 000.

Make sure it has a service record, then it should be fine.

Just my 2c.

Just like that one, yes

So did all of these bikes come out standard with ASC and ESA as well?  I know the ABS and heated grips were standard.

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Re: F650GS or R1200GS
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2014, 12:02:08 am »
1st bike? any riding skills?

I'd go for the, or any other 650 1st and upgrade if you want to in 2 years time
 

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« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2014, 12:25:05 am »
1st bike? any riding skills?

I'd go for the, or any other 650 1st and upgrade if you want to in 2 years time

Yes, this would be the first bike that I use on tar roads.

The last time I rode was in 2006 and that was a Honda CTX200 Bushlander.

Grew up with a PW80 though... LOL

Also ride a mountain bike over weekends :D

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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2014, 12:50:33 am »
go for the 650 - you will still get good money for it later when you want to upgrade ... and they are capable offroad
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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2014, 11:33:21 pm »
So, I had a look at both bikes, and both are very tempting options.

The F650GS, however, is in a brand new condition. This bike has not been ridden in around a year, so it did not stand too long. It has only had 2 services in the 6 year period. The mileage of 2000km is so low, as it was only used occassionally for breakfast runs over weekends. The current owner bought it new and will have it serviced by BMW before handing it over to the new owner.

At this stage, I am leaning more towards the F650GS.

Any comments would be appreciated.

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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2014, 11:48:13 pm »
if you have a valid licence, maybe go to some BMW dealers and take a 650 and 1200 for a test ride and then decide for yourself
 

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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2014, 09:51:11 pm »
Hi,

I have located a BMW F650 GS with only 2000km on the clock. It is a 2008 facelifted twin spark model.


Twin spark, or twin cylinder? 

Twin cylinder. The 800cc K72 model.

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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2014, 08:05:33 am »
1st bike? any riding skills?

I'd go for the, or any other 650 1st and upgrade if you want to in 2 years time

Yes, this would be the first bike that I use on tar roads.

The last time I rode was in 2006 and that was a Honda CTX200 Bushlander.

Grew up with a PW80 though... LOL

Also ride a mountain bike over weekends :D

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You wil be fine with any of the two bikes.  If you are not able to shed the nervousness on the big bike you can always do a course and you will not regret the 1200.  For longer distances and pillion the 1200 is better in terms of comfortness.  Y

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