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If you were to put a BS together today, to be deployed in the same circumstances as back then, what bike would you have chosen, what else would you have changed?
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Obviously the requirement would be if it can wheelie  :biggrin:
 seem that it was all you were doing at the time  :biggrin:
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Offline Whethefakawe

The pic of the bike with the camo tyres is a photoshop or otherwise fake btw....it's a 2-stroke with aftermarket tank........looks like an older KTM.

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Offline Whethefakawe

If you were to put a BS together today, to be deployed in the same circumstances as back then, what bike would you have chosen, what else would you have changed?

Geez...hard to say....ideally you'd want something simple and bulletproof, air-cooled, carburetted....little or no electronics....not sure if such a bike exists anymore! My first thought is XR 650, but the liquid-cooling would be a weak spot. Not to mention, they don't make them anymore! And it's a BEAST.....you'd have extreme levels of rider attrition  :lol8:

There are many variables. From reading the original SADF doctrine manuals, maintenance and logistics was one of their main concerns, and rightly so. If every platoon had had a dedicated mechanic with some basic spares, and tools to do cam chain adjustments, valve adjustments, oil changes, and good lube services in the field (or at the nearest support base) the XR 500's would have been foolproof i think....but none of that transpired.  

I'm not a diesel mechanic, but have some exposure to marine diesels...and learned the lesson about fuel contamination at my expense  :lol8: I think diesel bikes would need some intense air and fuel filter maintenance, for one.....any injected bike, for that matter.

The only modern bikes anywhere near the old XR's is the Honda CRF series....same thing, just updated...but the CRF 230, the biggest air-cooled model which I have one of, is a wee bit small I think....you'd burn up that little engine, as reliable as it is, carrying all the weight.

Cost is another big aspect....and I believe that was one of the reasons why the custom-built KRIEK didn't make it. We were, as expected, not told anything about WHY the Honda XR 500 was chosen AGAIN after all the testing. The diesel KLR650 is $18000+ each....you could buy three CRF 450X's plus spares for that on a large-volume contract.  And you don't need diesel mechanics, who are more specialised than your average bike mechanic. Or troop rider  :lol8:

If you plan appropriately for maintenance of the liquid-cooling aspect, I'd go with a CARBURETTED Honda CRF 450X or Yamaha WRF 450....either one is bulletproof. And leave them close to stock, no big bashplates and shit like that....dead weight that serves no purpose.  
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Yuri, XR650L?

Issue is, no real air cooled bikes with decent suspension left?  The old XR500 in those days were Honda's barely street legal entry enduro machines, competing in effect with Yamaha's ITs although 4 vs 2 stroke.  With these bikes (barely street legal entry level enduro) the big manufactures couldnt agree 4 or 2 strokes.  I guess you could throw in the TTs too?

Kawa and Suz never really had something in the same class? Maybe the KLX?

XR 400 type bike - but needed something bigger.
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 :thumleft: Yip...you're right, never even thought of it....it would have to be toughened up a bit though....take off all the street stuff, flickers etc, but it's essentially a bigger XR400, which is itself an updated version of the old 500. In 1983 or 4, Hinda came out with the XR 500E....BS did have them, in fact the pencil drawing above is of one of them. It was a much more potent ProLink, but had a new high-performance dry-sump engine that held the oil in the frame (like the XR 650R), disc brakes, two carbs etc....Honda tried too hard with the "technology" and "new and improved".....it may have been as good as the older prolinks but I suspect it was a maintenance PITA.

I'm a bit biased....maybe because I spent so much time on air-cooled Hondas, but I don't know of any other dirtbike that has been so reliable, easy and fun to ride (once they got rid of the 23-inch front wheels) and easy to work on.

In Europe, something else might work but in Africa, you want LOW-TECH, reliable...air-cooled, drum brakes, everything cable-operated, no hydraulics, kickstart...............think Land Cruiser  :biggrin:

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I think you must check out the latest Cruisers my man. Not quite what they were when gran pappie fell off the tram.
 

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What did the bike squad people do when you did your camps? Like in after national service.
 

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What did the bike squad people do when you did your camps? Like in after national service.

Unfortunately we reverted back to normal infantry.
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:thumleft: Yip...you're right, never even thought of it....it would have to be toughened up a bit though....take off all the street stuff, flickers etc, but it's essentially a bigger XR400, which is itself an updated version of the old 500. In 1983 or 4, Hinda came out with the XR 500E....BS did have them, in fact the pencil drawing above is of one of them. It was a much more potent ProLink, but had a new high-performance dry-sump engine that held the oil in the frame (like the XR 650R), disc brakes, two carbs etc....Honda tried too hard with the "technology" and "new and improved".....it may have been as good as the older prolinks but I suspect it was a maintenance PITA.

I'm a bit biased....maybe because I spent so much time on air-cooled Hondas, but I don't know of any other dirtbike that has been so reliable, easy and fun to ride (once they got rid of the 23-inch front wheels) and easy to work on.

In Europe, something else might work but in Africa, you want LOW-TECH, reliable...air-cooled, drum brakes, everything cable-operated, no hydraulics, kickstart...............think Land Cruiser  :biggrin:


Yip, like a  Land Cruiser , a real low tech work horse, not a play bike type.
 

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Jeff - curious about this pic...clearly a road-riding group, and judging by the number of snorre and p**s berets they can only be Papa Foxtrots ....or campers :laughing4:  

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Offline Whethefakawe

 Hey man....I know from.....I was a (4-year SAAF disciplinary reject....long story) PE meself....so I am eminently qualified to make that sharp observation.  :laughing4:

Never could grow a snor like that at 20 though ...more of an Apache beard.... a patchy here and a patchy there  
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And I never did a camp....went walkabout 5 weeks after I klaared out, and was never around long enough after that  :lol8:
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I think you must check out the latest Cruisers my man. Not quite what they were when gran pappie fell off the tram.

Are you a millenial?  :imaposer:

But you're right....I'm thinking 70's and 80's Cruisers.....nowadays it's a soccermum kiddie transporter....and Sandton Explorer with high-lift jack bolted to the roof rack......
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Not millennial. I was driving trolley busses back in the early 80's so am a toppie :thumleft:The old school Cruisers are going the same way as the XR and DR. I think the LR Defender is now stopping production as well. :eek7:
 

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Jeff - curious about this pic...clearly a road-riding group, and judging by the number of snorre and p**s berets they can only be Papa Foxtrots ....or campers :laughing4:  


Shame man, give the PE and BT's a break. Its Movember.
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I see that James..... they were 250's so probably just base transport.
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Two weeks ago I got into contact with one of the guys in my section, Ben Neumann and he posted some pics of our section. Cheers Ben.

1st pic is me feeling tired. In the hills past Ruacana dam.
2nd is of Ben in the canal after being redirected by a rock.
3rd is Ben being helped by Steve Young and Mike Baanhof
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Interesting water pipeline that runs from the Ruacana dam east towards Oshakati for about 50 k's if I'm not mistaken, supplying water to everyone along the way. Lots of swims were had in that canal.

All the locals used to sit on the side of the canal to wash and bathe and whatever and we used to ride past and point our finger and hit the kill switch to make the bike backfire and they all used to jump in to the water.
A little mischief to lighten the situation.

Below is a pic of a tiny church inside an ancient Boabab in Ugongo in Owamboland. It can fit 4 people plus a pastor. I'm not sure it is still there?
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Re: Bikesquad - New Pics after 29 yrs - from pg 10
« Reply #198 on: November 25, 2015, 07:44:38 pm »
Some more pics from my mate Ben Neumann .... after 29 years, thanks Ben.

These pics are my section out on patrol.
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Re: Bikesquad - New Pics after 29 yrs - from pg 10
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