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Yamaha TDM 850/900 vs Honda Varedero
« on: March 05, 2016, 01:54:51 pm »
These two older bikes present good value for touring, but I am not aufait with r0their relevant strong and week points.

What do you know about them and if you had to choose which one would you choose and why?

Any input will be appreciated.

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Re: Yamaha TDM 850/950 vs Honda Varedero
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2016, 01:55:52 pm »
Perhaps include the V Strom?


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Re: Yamaha TDM 850/950 vs Honda Varedero
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2016, 03:35:04 pm »
Both seem nice bikes
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Re: Yamaha TDM 850/950 vs Honda Varedero
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2016, 04:02:30 pm »
I've ridden a loaner Varadero from Honda Nelspruit.

Did the Eastern Transvaal 2 up. Comfortable, wind protected, upright seating position. Tar only.

Plenty torque.

Sure a TDM will be cheaper to acquire, but I would choose the Vara.



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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2016, 04:11:23 pm »
What kind of riding do you plan on doing?

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Re: Yamaha TDM 850/950 vs Honda Varedero
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2016, 05:12:18 pm »
Hate to burst your bubble but Mr Yamaha only made the TDM in maximum of 900cc. I bought mine in 2009. It was chosen for me by a dealer who wanted to get them off his floor and my wife who found it by far and away the most comfortable pillion and being very light the most reassuring when I slid it around a bit on dirt roads. I have tried many bikes since then but haven't found a good reason to change. They don't call it the Yamaha "tedium" for nothing. A lot of riders would find it a bit shy on vooma and you do get Mr Yamaha's legendary reliability, you won't be regaling your mates with breakdown stories.   They only sold a couple of dozen and they were ridiculously cheap. I paid R63,000 for the ABS version. The few I've seen second hand are being sold for close to their new price. It is a supremely comfortable and capable road and dirt road bike but if the going gets any tougher I take my DR650 or TTR250.
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Re: Yamaha TDM 850/950 vs Honda Varedero
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2016, 06:55:22 pm »
Perhaps include the V Strom?


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Had one, but could not resolve the buffeting and sold it. Never felt quite confortable on it.

I've ridden a loaner Varadero from Honda Nelspruit.

Did the Eastern Transvaal 2 up. Comfortable, wind protected, upright seating position. Tar only.

Plenty torque.

Sure a TDM will be cheaper to acquire, but I would choose the Vara.

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Rode a Vara today. Big bike and massive tank. It felt too big unwieldly for me.



What kind of riding do you plan on doing?

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Pure road touring.

Hate to burst your bubble but Mr Yamaha only made the TDM in maximum of 900cc. I bought mine in 2009. It was chosen for me by a dealer who wanted to get them off his floor and my wife who found it by far and away the most comfortable pillion and being very light the most reassuring when I slid it around a bit on dirt roads. I have tried many bikes since then but haven't found a good reason to change. They don't call it the Yamaha "tedium" for nothing. A lot of riders would find it a bit shy on vooma and you do get Mr Yamaha's legendary reliability, you won't be regaling your mates with breakdown stories.   They only sold a couple of dozen and they were ridiculously cheap. I paid R63,000 for the ABS version. The few I've seen second hand are being sold for close to their new price. It is a
supremely comfortable and capable road and dirt road bike but if the going gets any tougher I take my DR650 or TTR250.

What bubble you talking about my friend? I know they made the TDM in 850 and 900 - see the heading of the thread.

Thanks for the rest of the input though.
 

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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2016, 07:22:59 pm »
For pure road I would also look at the kawasaki versys and a few pure road bikes. To me it looks as though road bikes are cheaper used compared to DS bikes.

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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2016, 08:05:24 pm »
For pure road I would also look at the kawasaki versys and a few pure road bikes. To me it looks as though road bikes are cheaper used compared to DS bikes.

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Had a Versys - great bike but too cramped riding position for my frame.

The TDM never really made it as a DS bike - was more road orientated. What I like about it is the upright seating position and the fact that it is not very powerful.

 

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Re: Yamaha TDM 850/950 vs Honda Varedero
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2016, 08:32:34 pm »
What bubble you talking about my friend? I know they made the TDM in 850 and 900 - see the heading of the thread.

Ja and I'm looking at the heading of the thread and it kinda look like you said 950
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I would take the Vara

Yes it is bigger, but it pulls like a train and it has lots of protection from the elements.

It also seem to be slightly more dirt focused than the TDM.

That in itself is a pity - I would actually LOVE it if they could find a way to put the TDM mill into the 660 Tenere frame...


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Re: Yamaha TDM 850/950 vs Honda Varedero
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2016, 09:23:35 pm »
Hahaha sorry Ian and thanks Eisbein - a case of not seeing the wood from the trees and reading what you think is there as opposed to what is. Will change it.

 

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Re: Yamaha TDM 850/950 vs Honda Varedero
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2016, 11:58:13 pm »
Perhaps include the V Strom?


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Re: Yamaha TDM 850/950 vs Honda Varedero
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2016, 12:01:20 am »
Perhaps include the V Strom?


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Re: Yamaha TDM 850/900 vs Honda Varedero
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2016, 07:18:37 am »
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Have you been on a 950/990 ADV KTM yet?

Seems like you want big and powerful, but not bulky...




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Yamaha TDM 850/900 vs Honda Varedero
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2016, 07:20:49 am »
I think the Sprint was mentioned by Tiger8.

A 955i Triumph Tiger is another possibility.




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Re: Yamaha TDM 850/900 vs Honda Varedero
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2016, 07:43:42 am »
"Rode a Vara today. Big bike and massive tank. It felt too big unwieldly for me."

It does have a big tank - 25 litres. You can't have a good tourer without having a big tank. Big tank means a lot of fuel , which means a lot of weight high up on the bike.

My current one has a lowering kit which puts my feet flat on the ground. It makes a big difference to how secure I feel  esp. 2 up with full luggage.

The unwieldy feeling goes away when you're out on the open road. The bike feels solid as a rock in a cross wind which is very important to me.

Most importantly, SWAMBO absolutely loves it.

I've been reading all your threads, I sympathise with your frustration but I'm beginning to feel you're looking for something that can't be found. There is no perfect bike. That's why we end up with 2 or 3 or in one mate's case - 20. (Lucky sod).

Just my $0,02.

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Re: Yamaha TDM 850/900 vs Honda Varedero
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2016, 08:29:34 am »
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Have you been on a 950/990 ADV KTM yet?

Seems like you want big and powerful, but not bulky...




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Exactly that! That is perhaps why I enjoy my SM so much. You will see when you get your TE - slim and light, yet powerful and agile.

Redwolf also says I must try and get a KTM 950 / 990, but u less I get really lucky they seem to be out of my budget range.

"Rode a Vara today. Big bike and massive tank. It felt too big unwieldly for me."

It does have a big tank - 25 litres. You can't have a good tourer without having a big tank. Big tank means a lot of fuel , which means a lot of weight high up on the bike.

My current one has a lowering kit which puts my feet flat on the ground. It makes a big difference to how secure I feel  esp. 2 up with full luggage.

The unwieldy feeling goes away when you're out on the open road. The bike feels solid as a rock in a cross wind which is very important to me.

Most importantly, SWAMBO absolutely loves it.

I've been reading all your threads, I sympathise with your frustration but I'm beginning to feel you're looking for something that can't be found. There is no perfect bike. That's why we end up with 2 or 3 or in one mate's case - 20. (Lucky sod).

Just my $0,02.

Best of luck with the search. Go ride a Tiger next...


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Back to the Vara....maybe I rode it too soon after my Harley experience, but the large tank means you have to sit with your legs quite far apart. That hightened the feeling of it being a big bike for me. I like it when a tank is shaped so that it folds over your legs and you feel like you are sliding into the bike. This also makes it feel smaller as you can grip the tank with your legs. It is, however, a personal preference.

I have nothing against the Vara...its a Honda after all.

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Re: Yamaha TDM 850/900 vs Honda Varedero
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2016, 08:32:07 am »
I think the Sprint was mentioned by Tiger8.

A 955i Triumph Tiger is another possibility.




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Re: Yamaha TDM 850/900 vs Honda Varedero
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2016, 08:42:08 am »
Ktm 950.. :deal:
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« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2016, 10:06:32 am »
To me it sounds like you want a GS, a 1150 could be in your budget.

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