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Re: Life in America - I made the move.
« Reply #7620 on: July 30, 2019, 07:56:11 pm »
The way I see it, everyone got a "bonus" for 4th July, i.e. everyone got paid for 8 hours more than they worked. Mr. Zog too. But, because he only worked 32 hours for the week, he had to complete 40 hours before going onto overtime rate. So the 4th July is a bonus in terms of money, but not in terms of working hours.

So in short, it would look like 48 hours x std rate of pay in total.  40 hours for actual work and 8 hours bonus for holiday.

Whereas if it was a normal work week of 40 hours and he worked 8 hours overtime, then he would have been paid 40 x std rate + 8 x overtime rate (e.g. 1.5)

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Re: Life in America - I made the move.
« Reply #7621 on: July 31, 2019, 03:08:18 am »
The way I see it, everyone got a "bonus" for 4th July, i.e. everyone got paid for 8 hours more than they worked. Mr. Zog too. But, because he only worked 32 hours for the week, he had to complete 40 hours before going onto overtime rate. So the 4th July is a bonus in terms of money, but not in terms of working hours.

So in short, it would look like 48 hours x std rate of pay in total.  40 hours for actual work and 8 hours bonus for holiday.

Whereas if it was a normal work week of 40 hours and he worked 8 hours overtime, then he would have been paid 40 x std rate + 8 x overtime rate (e.g. 1.5)

Yup, 100% correct. I have to actually WORK 40 hours before I am eligible for overtime. Quite different to the labour laws in SA, where holidays are added to your weekly hour count.

It is what it is. I have a good job, and the boss is a good guy. He does take care of me too, like allowing me to purchase a new water heater at company cost and paying him back over a couple of pay periods.

I've made peace with it now  :biggrin:
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Re: Life in America - I made the move.
« Reply #7622 on: July 31, 2019, 05:50:06 am »
Yep - move along steadily. Like you said - the boss treats you well. In times like this you just need to stop and think about your previous boss  :3some:
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Re: Life in America - I made the move.
« Reply #7623 on: July 31, 2019, 06:52:39 am »
It is what it is. I have a good job, and the boss is a good guy. He does take care of me too, like allowing me to purchase a new water heater at company cost and paying him back over a couple of pay periods.
I've made peace with it now  :biggrin:

All misunderstanding eliminated.
Get on with normal working relations.
Good thing.

PS - I am pleased to see you haven't slipped into 'Merican spelling (labor i.s.o labour) yet.  :sip:
You know you cannot become a US citizen until you can spell like them...?  ::)
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« Reply #7624 on: July 31, 2019, 07:25:45 am »
In 1776, just before the declaration of independance, some americans started spelling labour as labor, and colour as color. When the brits asked them why, they said, "because we're getting rid of u".  :lol8:
 

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Re: Life in America - I made the move.
« Reply #7625 on: July 31, 2019, 09:01:06 am »
I've often been critical of Americans misspelling of 'proper' English, but in fact, although it irks me to have to say this, they are actually more correct!

When Noah Webster undertook the compilation of his definitive Dictionary of American English he deliberately reverted to a more original and 'purer' form of spelling which existed when modern English evolved from 'Middle English'.

So in fact it is we modern Brits who have deviated from correct original English spelling. I know this perfectly well, so why does it still piss me off so every time I see those black rubber band thingies spelled as 'tires'?  :xxbah: :peepwall:
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Re: Life in America - I made the move.
« Reply #7626 on: July 31, 2019, 09:50:45 am »
I've often been critical of Americans misspelling of 'proper' English, but in fact, although it irks me to have to say this, they are actually more correct!

When Noah Webster undertook the compilation of his definitive Dictionary of American English he deliberately reverted to a more original and 'purer' form of spelling which existed when modern English evolved from 'Middle English'.

So in fact it is we modern Brits who have deviated from correct original English spelling. I know this perfectly well, so why does it still piss me off so every time I see those black rubber band thingies spelled as 'tires'?  :xxbah: :peepwall:

I agree with you - as much as it irks me - when you really think about it many of their sayings also make more sense. Sidewalk instead of pavement, traffic lights (not robots) and so on.....
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Re: Life in America - I made the move.
« Reply #7627 on: July 31, 2019, 05:41:35 pm »
I've often been critical of Americans misspelling of 'proper' English, but in fact, although it irks me to have to say this, they are actually more correct!

When Noah Webster undertook the compilation of his definitive Dictionary of American English he deliberately reverted to a more original and 'purer' form of spelling which existed when modern English evolved from 'Middle English'.

So in fact it is we modern Brits who have deviated from correct original English spelling. I know this perfectly well, so why does it still piss me off so every time I see those black rubber band thingies spelled as 'tires'?  :xxbah: :peepwall:

I find that very hard to believe...
Middle English is very different from American English.
Here is an example of Chaucer, who wrote using Middle English and a modern translation:
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« Reply #7628 on: July 31, 2019, 07:08:29 pm »

I find that very hard to believe...
Middle English is very different from American English.
Here is an example of Chaucer, who wrote using Middle English and a modern translation:

Lets see Google translate that...
 

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Re: Life in America - I made the move.
« Reply #7629 on: August 01, 2019, 02:09:19 am »
I've often been critical of Americans misspelling of 'proper' English, but in fact, although it irks me to have to say this, they are actually more correct!

When Noah Webster undertook the compilation of his definitive Dictionary of American English he deliberately reverted to a more original and 'purer' form of spelling which existed when modern English evolved from 'Middle English'.

So in fact it is we modern Brits who have deviated from correct original English spelling. I know this perfectly well, so why does it still piss me off so every time I see those black rubber band thingies spelled as 'tires'?  :xxbah: :peepwall:

I find that very hard to believe...
Middle English is very different from American English.
Here is an example of Chaucer, who wrote using Middle English and a modern translation:

I got a headache just trying to decipher that  :o
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Re: Life in America - I made the move.
« Reply #7630 on: August 01, 2019, 05:11:20 am »

So, by implication, the guys who didn't work on 4th July didn't get paid 40 hours then...?

The unions in ZA would go ballistic !

USA employers definitely are in the pound dollar seats...

Is this the same logic used recently when discussing US construction being setup to 4 foot modules for windows?  :patch:

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Nooooooooooooooooo, E.O. Wilson, if Zogs coworkers worked their 4 day work week at 8hrs paid LABOR :la:
per day plus enjoyed a federal paid holiday, their direct deposit pay stub would reflect;

32hrs x straight wage for their LABOR :la: + 8hrs holiday straight wage which required no LABOR = 40 hours straight wage for 32 hours LABOR :la:



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Re: Life in America - I made the move.
« Reply #7631 on: August 01, 2019, 07:38:02 am »
Not sure if I am following this yet?

So the coworkers worked 32 hours and got paid for 40 hours.
Zog worked 42 hours and got paid for 42 with only 2 being overtime.
Worked 10 hours more than the others but only paid 2 hours more.
What am I missing?

If that is the case then how do employers get their staff to do any overtime work when they have public holidays in the week?
 

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« Reply #7632 on: August 01, 2019, 07:47:24 am »
Not sure if I am following this yet?

So the coworkers worked 32 hours and got paid for 40 hours.
Zog worked 42 hours and got paid for 42 with only 2 being overtime.
Worked 10 hours more than the others but only paid 2 hours more.
What am I missing?

If that is the case then how do employers get their staff to do any overtime work when they have public holidays in the week?

 :laughing4:




32hrs x straight wage for their LABOR :la: + 8hrs holiday straight wage which required no LABOR = 40 hours straight wage for 32 hours LABOR :la:



Zog's coworker received this  :laughing4: , if I'm understanding correctly.


I interpreted Zog worked 5 eight hour days (total 40hrs) the week of July 4th.  Because the 4th is a national holiday his employer paid him 8hrs holiday pay at standard wage.

Zog thought, as most would, he would get paid for Monday the 1st = 8hrs standard rate, Tuesday the 2nd = 8hrs standard rate, Wednesday the 3rd = 8hrs standard rate, Thursday the 4th = National Holiday = 8hrs gifted at standard rate, Friday the 5th = 8hrs standard rate, THEN, on Saturday the 6th, Zog felt he would be paid 8hrs 1.5 x standard rate.

or

5 x 8 = 40 hours standard wage + 1 x 8 = 8 hours @ 1.5  x standard wage  = 48 hours

Zog received

48 hours standard wage if I'm understanding correctly.

Comprende?

Zog's boss, like many Christians, excuse me, proprietors in my country, conveniently failed to mention to Zog that even though he'd be working on a Saturday, he'd only receive standard rate because he hadn't passed the 40 hour labor threshold for hours worked M,T,W, and F, to receive 1.5 x standard rate. 

If I was Zog's employer and he requested extra hours on Saturday during a week with a fed holiday, I'd pay him straight time.

However, it sounds as if Zog's boss made Saturday mandatory for Zog to finish up a project at one of Zog's bosses new facilities.

Therefore, Imo, Zog's boss should not have had any issue with paying Zog 1.5 or even 2.0 x standard rate for Saturday and 2.0-3.0 x standard rate had he worked on Sunday.


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Re: Life in America - I made the move.
« Reply #7633 on: August 01, 2019, 08:28:54 pm »
Took me 2 weeks but I read it all from beginning to end. I had some dust in my eyes, I laughed out load a few times (once on the can at work) but mostly I just enjoyed reading it all. You both have a way with words that make me wanna read more.

Zog, you make me look very lazy, in fact I am super lazy, but still, your work rate is off the charts.

I love your animals the most. Maggie being my favourite as I had a little dachshund that helped me through chemo et al. I unfortunately lost her 4 weeks ago. Maggie fills her role for me now.

I worked and lived in the UK, USA and UK again over a period of 2 years (middle 6 months in Columbus OH). Wish I could have stayed in either. Tried Ireland for 2 years but for a lot of reasons came back to SA - big farking mistake. Iíve been stuck here for 16 years since. Yes, living in SA is ok, but the crap here is getting to me.

Getting used to african ways again was a big let down for me. Iíd leave at the drop of a hat. First world living is expensive but so cool.

Anyway, my rant off. Keep up the good work your side.
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« Reply #7634 on: August 01, 2019, 08:32:45 pm »
Oh, forgot to mention something that I seriously believe in and live by - what goes around, comes around. Thatís why good things happen to you... :thumleft:
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Re: Life in America - I made the move.
« Reply #7635 on: August 02, 2019, 02:05:39 am »
Labor laws vary from state to state. In the socialist state of Washington the 8 hours holiday pay would have to be counted and all of the 10 hours on Saturday would have been overtime. That does not apply to agricultural worker though. So for our farm labor we have come up with our own system that of hours over number of days of normal work and holiday pay times 8 then anything over that is time and half, calculated for the month not week. This allows for flexibility if someone wants to work four tens in a week and then go fishing on Friday.  I find this system fairer for employer and employee than rigid system but may work only for small employers. I was told when in South Africa that standard for farm workers was ten hours a day and paid a daily rate at about 1200 rand a day, so my farm crew is doing much better. We also use much less labor and more mechanization due to cost.
A word on spellings here and there. Two hundred plus years ago there was no standard and many of the writings had multiple spellings for words.  The things we do here that I think are screwed up are using 120 volt power in our house plugins, which is very wasteful. Would love to convert to 240 volt if I could get the appliances. And we do not seen to be able to move to the metric system even though it was mandated to do so in 1972. I think the biggest block to the metric system is how it is taught in the schools so that everyone comes out of school hating it because all they do is convert it back and forth. I taught for 20 years in high school and college and told my students to refuse to convert, there are no inches in a meter.
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« Reply #7636 on: August 02, 2019, 03:20:43 am »
Hey Bob!

Yup, in my research last weekend I noticed that the Federal Laws are adapted in different States  :thumleft:

And I agree, 240V is much better than 115V for things, especially tools and appliances.  We have got 240V in our home, but it is basically just two 120V feeds that are combined for the big appliances like Water heater, AC & Heat, stove, dryer, etc. So THEORETICALLY I could convert everything to 240V and carry on. But as you say, getting normal tools and appliances etc in 240V here is a mission.

I suppose you could import (from SA  :pot: ) but then the frequency is also different, SA runs 50Hz, and the US 60Hz, so some things would struggle...  :sip:
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« Reply #7637 on: August 02, 2019, 03:25:11 am »
So the big move from the old shop to the new shop is going to happen this weekend.

But I think mother nature has a plan. We are going to get LOTS of rain, heavy rain, all weekend. There is a tropical system just off the east coast that is sending up lots of rain already. My rain gauge in the back yard has just over 5 inches (125mm) in it for the week  :eek7:

So if the move does go ahead I will be working around 12 hours on Saturday, and another 12 hours on Sunday. This means that I'll be spending very little time here, and no time in my workshop. And the lawn will not get mowed either...

I'll have to make a plan for the lawn, after all this rain it is growing like a magic beanstalk  :imaposer:
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Re: Life in America - I made the move.
« Reply #7638 on: August 02, 2019, 07:57:59 am »
Good luck with the move Mr Zog.

Will you be paid overtime? :biggrin:
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« Reply #7639 on: August 02, 2019, 08:06:14 am »
Good luck with the move Mr Zog.

Will you be paid overtime? :biggrin:
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