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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #40 on: November 28, 2016, 07:11:55 am »
It has been mentioned that if you cant afford it dont attend. But why not leave out the prize money? Make it so hard that only 20% of the field will finish. That way you get some serious bragging rights and surely the entry fee will come down considerably?
 

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #41 on: November 28, 2016, 08:18:28 am »
A date has been set!!! :ricky: :ricky:

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #42 on: November 28, 2016, 08:22:58 am »
will be keeping an eye on this, sound interesting
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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2016, 08:52:51 am »
It has been mentioned that if you cant afford it dont attend. But why not leave out the prize money? Make it so hard that only 20% of the field will finish. That way you get some serious bragging rights and surely the entry fee will come down considerably?

Firstly, it's incredibly difficult to gauge the average level of competency among the Adventure Rider fraternity. Even if you have completed every single course offered in South Africa for off-road riding, you'll likely not to be able to complete even one day on the Amageza. On the other side we have had a guy who wrote 'Farm experience only' on his CV, yet finished in the top 10!

Like with any product one has to first gauge interest. One way of doing that is to dangle a carrot. A team of 4 could win the cup, and have a profit of R30 000 each after expenses. (That's if they already have kit). Taking the prizes away will make the entry fee maybe R 1000 cheaper. That's not much in the bigger scheme of things. If I could get a nice big sponsor on board, that will change things considerably. But with only 15 riders interested, not a snowballs chance in hell.

I can't approach KTM. They don't believe in marketing. They believe their bikes are so incredible, they sell themselves. A 'brought to you by KTM' might also scare off the other riders, thinking this is going to be a sausage contest. On the other hand I can't approach BMW for the opposite reason. Although they believe in marketing (hence the 70% motorcycle sales in SA) the general perception is that their riders drive from coffee-shop to coffee-shop, with maybe a bit of gravel to get dust on the bikes. So the KTM riders will think its a duck-walk contest.

Suzuki has nothing one would be interested in.

Yamaha has good bikes, but they seem to only support plastic racing. I have yet to see Yamaha with a presence of more than 1 bike on any Amageza.

That leaves us with Honda. I think to re-launch the Africa-Twin on The Livingstone Cup is perfect for them. As a 'dark-horse' amongst riders, neither BMW nor KTM's will feel intimidated or neglected. I have made contact twice and the response was between about 3, where 0='Not Interested' and 10= 'Hell Yeah'. Like with Amageza I can't allow sponsorship that will detract from the brand. Like getting 'Dove for woman' to sponsor. Even if I'm desperate for the dough, I won't be associated with a 'pussy' brand.

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #44 on: November 28, 2016, 09:17:21 am »
It's time Men were Men again. Enough of the metro-man-I-can-cook-and-knit-and-cry-in-movies crap. Time men do men things. Going on a epic trip with your bike as your trusted friend with mates you will depend on is a start!  >:D

Ghh. That's a challenge for the lady riders out there. Come on Minxy and Malibu, enter as a team and win it!
 

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #45 on: November 28, 2016, 09:22:28 am »
I like the plan.  The less rules the better, although I support some limits on speeding.  One favour please - No tracks via Zimbabwe - Just too much of a nightmare dealing with the authority, roadblocks, etc.
 

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #46 on: November 28, 2016, 09:36:44 am »
Lekker. I just spoke to the Boss to see if I would be able to go on a "tour" that week. We are normally doing fieldwork from end of May until September so winter is normally a no go but this time an exception can be made  :ricky:

So, now to find money/sponsors/a rich wife/the missing kruger rands  >:D
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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #47 on: November 28, 2016, 10:18:09 am »
So just to make sure I understand correctly, if this is pitched for 1000cc bikes then a KLR650 will do it as well?

I ask because myself and my potential team mate can only compete if we can use our regular bikes.
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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #48 on: November 28, 2016, 10:48:12 am »
So just to make sure I understand correctly, if this is pitched for 1000cc bikes then a KLR650 will do it as well?

I ask because myself and my potential team mate can only compete if we can use our regular bikes.

You can enter on a 50cc 2-stroke. But its doable on a 1200cc . So the target market is the 1-liter class market. I would prefer a KTM 690 or Husky 700 with a Thomas Eich (Omega) rally kit on!  ;D
 

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #49 on: November 28, 2016, 10:49:27 am »
It's time Men were Men again. Enough of the metro-man-I-can-cook-and-knit-and-cry-in-movies crap. Time men do men things. Going on a epic trip with your bike as your trusted friend with mates you will depend on is a start!  >:D

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #50 on: November 28, 2016, 11:08:49 am »
So just to make sure I understand correctly, if this is pitched for 1000cc bikes then a KLR650 will do it as well?

I ask because myself and my potential team mate can only compete if we can use our regular bikes.

You can enter on a 50cc 2-stroke. But its doable on a 1200cc . So the target market is the 1-liter class market. I would prefer a KTM 690 or Husky 700 with a Thomas Eich (Omega) rally kit on!  ;D

Awesome :ricky: Time to gear up my scheming. In the process again of buying a bike, once that scheming is successful stage two will start so I can fund these shenanigans.  O0

Always wanted to do a rally style race, reckon this will be a good start. Time to study how to navigate with a roadbook though  :lamer:
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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #51 on: November 28, 2016, 11:53:28 am »
I like the plan.  The less rules the better, although I support some limits on speeding.  One favour please - No tracks via Zimbabwe - Just too much of a nightmare dealing with the authority, roadblocks, etc.

Cops are only on the main roads, in Zim which we would not be on. :deal:

Anyway, you don't have to be afraid of them, just never pay a bribe.  :deal:

Anyway, most of them are actually nice guys, just really desperate

Anyway, Zim has some really, really awesome DS riding.

Anyway border delays and drama is supposed to be part of the challenge (just never pay a bribe or a fixer).

Anyway, you heard what he said "It's time Men were Men again. Enough of the metro-man-I-can-cook-and-knit-and-cry-in-movies crap." :imaposer:

Come on Zimbabwe would be fun! (I just don't know if Alexander is man enough to go up there ;) :peepwall: )

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #52 on: November 28, 2016, 12:58:44 pm »
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Sounds interesting.
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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #53 on: November 28, 2016, 01:26:30 pm »

Anyway, Zim has some really, really awesome DS riding.

Anyway border delays and drama is supposed to be part of the challenge (just never pay a bribe or a fixer).

Anyway, you heard what he said "It's time Men were Men again. Enough of the metro-man-I-can-cook-and-knit-and-cry-in-movies crap." :imaposer:

Come on Zimbabwe would be fun! (I just don't know if Alexander is man enough to go up there ;) :peepwall: )

:ricky:

There is always this struggle with what I want to do, what I have to do, what others want me to do, what FIM Africa wants me to do, etc. At the end of the day I think Nam and Bots is a good starting point for this event. Its familiar, I have contacts there and in particular Botswana where we have raced last year. To try and get the government on our side in Zim may be futile and will require the entry fee to double to cover the documented, and undocumented costs...

You know, if this works, we may be able to change rally for the better. Back to real men. No support teams, no luxury thorn-free bivvies.... :biggrin:

Even for this year. We can start it within 2000 km of Cape Town. That can be Moz, Nam, Bots and a Angola. But I think for year 1, stay in area's I know every bush, track and farmer. And where I have good relations with the government. So most likely Northern Cape & Botswana, with some Namibia to keep everyone honest  :biggrin:

On the other hand. We can just about go anywhere. Bot we'll stay south of Angola, Zim and Zam for now.

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #54 on: November 28, 2016, 02:06:29 pm »
Would love to give it a go but my commitment already on the enduro bike scene wont financially allow it  :-[

And if this event picks up it will for sure be a massive thing. Huge market to attract.
 

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #55 on: November 28, 2016, 02:24:17 pm »
Come on VOTE!!  :deal: :deal: :ricky: :ricky:
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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #56 on: November 28, 2016, 02:53:28 pm »
I understand the burger and bread argument but for some of us this type of advenure will stay a dream. It's not just about the fee but there is a lot of stuff planned and unforeseen that goes into a project like this. But that is just life seperating the strong from the weak. If you have a button that says- this is my dream- then I'll gladly vote :thumleft:
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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #57 on: November 29, 2016, 04:11:21 pm »
It's time Men were Men again. Enough of the metro-man-I-can-cook-and-knit-and-cry-in-movies crap. Time men do men things. Going on a epic trip with your bike as your trusted friend with mates you will depend on is a start!  >:D

Ghh. That's a challenge for the lady riders out there. Come on Minxy and Malibu, enter as a team and win it!

Girl power! It would be totally epic having Judy there on the 690 and myself on the 701 :ricky:
Or even a couples team. Myself with HSK, and Judy and Mark.
I really, really like the idea of this race. Can't wait for more details!
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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #58 on: November 29, 2016, 04:43:04 pm »
It's time Men were Men again. Enough of the metro-man-I-can-cook-and-knit-and-cry-in-movies crap. Time men do men things. Going on a epic trip with your bike as your trusted friend with mates you will depend on is a start!  >:D

Ghh. That's a challenge for the lady riders out there. Come on Minxy and Malibu, enter as a team and win it!

Girl power! It would be totally epic having Judy there on the 690 and myself on the 701 :ricky:
Or even a couples team. Myself with HSK, and Judy and Mark.
I really, really like the idea of this race. Can't wait for more details!

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #59 on: November 29, 2016, 05:33:05 pm »
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