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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #80 on: December 02, 2016, 11:55:37 am »
My business partner agreed that should certain sales targets be met, we can afford a new (701) delivery bike - as long as we can brand it.

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #81 on: December 02, 2016, 12:28:59 pm »
On the same note, hahaha, anyone here like to put branding on my bike then?
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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #82 on: December 03, 2016, 03:06:36 am »
I also like the idea. Im a very average rider. So to me to go and do this "race" would be silly. I think i would be out after the first day. That would make it a big waste of money. If i was allowed to continue unofficially that would be fine with me. The entry fee is ok. Maybe Triumph could be a potential sponsor with the Bear Grills type of adverising?

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #83 on: December 03, 2016, 06:12:35 am »
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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #84 on: December 04, 2016, 10:20:57 am »
I also like the idea. Im a very average rider. So to me to go and do this "race" would be silly. I think i would be out after the first day. That would make it a big waste of money. If i was allowed to continue unofficially that would be fine with me. The entry fee is ok. Maybe Triumph could be a potential sponsor with the Bear Grills type of adverising?

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #85 on: December 04, 2016, 10:23:30 am »
this sounds very cool. But i am sure some peeps might be very worried about the NAVIGATIONAL side of this so i came up with an answer to the worries.

For an inexperienced team of people that would like to partake but the unknown fear of Navigation is holding you back,  why not use an experienced Amageza rider like Gerrit, Claude and myself to be your navigator.
We would be able to sell our services, price of entry, to your team and so give you a fighting chance of completing this amazing challenge.
Let that sink in for a while. It might actually be a great help to people that want to ride and to give us cheapskates a chance too.

This is a good idea. These riders (tour & scrat) have never not completed a Amageza. Scrat has done every songle Amageza Rally since 2011. They may not finish in the top 10, but they know how to get through in one piece on a shoestring budget!  :thumleft:
 

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #86 on: December 05, 2016, 12:48:53 pm »
What needs to change to make this event happen?

- Extended voting time to spread the news?
- Reduce inputs from organiser to reduce input costs?
- Remove nav by road book?
- Change the dates?

I really like this adventures idea and will even pay a deposit today to ensure I am at the start  :ricky: :ricky:


 

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #87 on: December 05, 2016, 04:57:15 pm »
Reply #3 on page 1 will cut costs.

More focus on adventure/challenge and drop the word race. Let it develop into a race, or wherever it heads.

Times are tough in this here country and I'm seeing riding decline all over, whether it's the weekend warriors, the off-road racers or the DS market. Even going on short 4/5 day trips sees me in empty hotels/B&Bs.

It may well be the wrong time to try anything new ...................  :(
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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #88 on: December 05, 2016, 05:22:27 pm »
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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #89 on: December 05, 2016, 06:38:01 pm »
Climbingturtle directed to me to this here discussion, I have to say that I am sitting in very icy mud island (UK) salivating at the prospect of doing this adventure/race. It looks like a fantastic idea if the big bikes are truly able to complete the route in the prescribed time under "normal" conditions and an average to slightly above average level of riding skill.

I think that the Husqie 701"delivery bike for tax purposes" would be more suited than a my standard GS though.
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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race
« Reply #90 on: December 05, 2016, 08:03:26 pm »
Like the bigger bike idea but instead of making it a race how about the riders must find points of interest.
If you miss some you lose points.A tour with added interest.

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #91 on: December 05, 2016, 09:20:22 pm »
Ok, the challenge and the math.

Distance: 4000km Target time: 5 days.  Average 800km per day.

BUT THEN:
1: Take Upington as reference for 14th June and the sunrise/sunset time is only 10h15 per day. (7:25 - 17:45)  Average speed required 78kph
2: 4 border crossings (maybe 3) at 30min per side =  4 hours.
3: Refuel 3 times per day at 15min ea. = 3 hours
4: Rest breaks other than during refuel 2 of 15min per day = 2 hours.

This leaves us with only 42h25 riding time for the 4000 km if to be completed in 5 days.  Average now 94kph.

Lets look at the proposed route type as per earlier post.
1: Normal gravel       50%       2000km  @ 120kph = 16 hours
2: Jeep hard packed 20%         800km  @ 80kph   = 10 hours
3: Jeep Soft             20%         800km  @ 50kph   = 16 hours
4: Jeep rough             5%         200km  @ 30kph   =  7 hours
5: Other (Tar ??)         5%         200km  @ 140kph =  1h30

TOTAL time                                                            50h30 BUT based on the 'downtime' there are only 42 'riding' hours available.

Laat mens dink.

Laastens, as die projek nie materialiseer sal ek BETAAL om die roete te kry sodat 'ons dit op ons eie' kan doen.

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #92 on: December 06, 2016, 12:03:43 am »
I also like the idea. Im a very average rider. So to me to go and do this "race" would be silly. I think i would be out after the first day. That would make it a big waste of money. If i was allowed to continue unofficially that would be fine with me. The entry fee is ok. Maybe Triumph could be a potential sponsor with the Bear Grills type of adverising?

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #93 on: December 06, 2016, 08:22:50 am »
We might have some deaths from sleeping next to a bike in the Kalahari in June  >:D.  Coldest morning I've seen in Upington was - 7C.  Will need to carry more than just a sleeping bag (which was my plan).
 

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #94 on: December 06, 2016, 09:04:16 am »
We might have some deaths from sleeping next to a bike in the Kalahari in June  >:D.  Coldest morning I've seen in Upington was - 7C.  Will need to carry more than just a sleeping bag (which was my plan).

Or get a proper sleeping bag? Seriously though, I spend a lot of time in the field in winter and often just sleep on a foam mattress outside (too lazy to pitch tent every night for two months). Sleeping bag with a -5 rating and a thermal liner and you're good to go down to about -10 or so.

If that fails, I've heard a teaspoon of PPC's prime product might also solve the problem  :pot:

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #95 on: December 06, 2016, 09:48:07 am »
I think we might have this conversation again in the future.  That is if you who are willing to prescribe PPC are in fact in the race :thumleft:
 

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #96 on: December 06, 2016, 09:53:32 am »
 :laughing4: with pleasure. One has to stir up kak sometimes  :peepwall:

The only thing that has kept me from racing before has been finances, and the only thing that would stop me this time would be same. I am going to scheme to get a sponsor for my entry if possible. The boss has already agreed that he can do without me for that week.
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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #97 on: December 06, 2016, 09:57:12 am »
Maybe PPC will in fact sponsor you...
 

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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #98 on: December 06, 2016, 09:58:46 am »
Maybe PPC will in fact sponsor you...

I don't mind who sponsors me, hell, I'll ride for team "Sipho's Spaza" if that gets me in the race  :ricky:
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Re: The Livingstone Cup: The ultimate adventure race (11-16 Jun '17)
« Reply #99 on: December 06, 2016, 10:22:09 am »
On a lighter note, just want to check that I've got this right, the minimum gear needed for a team of 2 will be:
2x bikes
2x spot trackers
1x roadbook holder
1x gps (1 per bike would be better though)
whatever else you need to sleep, eat survive, maintenance etc.

Am I missing anything? I want to start working out a "Race budget" to get my scheming on track.
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