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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #260 on: June 06, 2017, 10:51:28 am »
I wonder if Triumph will enter one of their own bikes? With a prototype Triumph chassis, etc.

Surely there is some big bucks coming in with this new deal and will create the opportunity.

Interesting possibility.  Now that you mention it, I wonder why Honda never went for it.

I'd bet that in the contract they wouldn't be allowed to.

It's a monstrous conflict of interests.

I don't see the conflict of interest.  Anyone can build a chassis around the Moto2 rules, slap in the contracted engine and race.

Triumph supplies the engines, then they race in the series too?! How do you think a competitor would feel if Triumph start winning.

Never mind the development advantage; Triumph would have an enormous head start on design of the chassis. Even if they used someone else's chassis, it still would be according to some specs that Triumph would specify based on their understanding of their engine.

KTM, Honda, Ducati, etc all supply factory bikes to other teams, but that's the point, there are other choices available. Also, it is in the interests of the manufacturer to make sure all their bikes are competitive for sales going forward, but as we know, the factory bikes get the new bling first.

Besides, it just doesn't look or feel good.

Is there precedent for this in the past?
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #261 on: June 06, 2017, 10:56:19 am »
I wonder if Triumph will enter one of their own bikes? With a prototype Triumph chassis, etc.

Surely there is some big bucks coming in with this new deal and will create the opportunity.

Interesting possibility.  Now that you mention it, I wonder why Honda never went for it.

With the general move away from sports bikes, success on the track is less of a sales driver than it used to be.
The old adage of "what wins on Sundays sells on Mondays" doesn't really apply anymore. If that was still the case there would be no BMW's on the road.
 

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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #262 on: June 06, 2017, 11:09:34 am »
I wonder if Triumph will enter one of their own bikes? With a prototype Triumph chassis, etc.

Surely there is some big bucks coming in with this new deal and will create the opportunity.

Interesting possibility.  Now that you mention it, I wonder why Honda never went for it.

With the general move away from sports bikes, success on the track is less of a sales driver than it used to be.
The old adage of "what wins on Sundays sells on Mondays" doesn't really apply anymore. If that was still the case there would be no BMW's on the road.
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #263 on: June 06, 2017, 11:13:38 am »
BMW has taken it to the Isle of Man so that doesn't hold true.
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #264 on: June 06, 2017, 11:14:32 am »
I wonder if Triumph will enter one of their own bikes? With a prototype Triumph chassis, etc.

Surely there is some big bucks coming in with this new deal and will create the opportunity.

Interesting possibility.  Now that you mention it, I wonder why Honda never went for it.

With the general move away from sports bikes, success on the track is less of a sales driver than it used to be.
The old adage of "what wins on Sundays sells on Mondays" doesn't really apply anymore. If that was still the case there would be no BMW's on the road.
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #265 on: June 06, 2017, 11:21:09 am »
I wonder if Triumph will enter one of their own bikes? With a prototype Triumph chassis, etc.

Surely there is some big bucks coming in with this new deal and will create the opportunity.

Interesting possibility.  Now that you mention it, I wonder why Honda never went for it.

I'd bet that in the contract they wouldn't be allowed to.

It's a monstrous conflict of interests.

I don't see the conflict of interest.  Anyone can build a chassis around the Moto2 rules, slap in the contracted engine and race.

Triumph supplies the engines, then they race in the series too?! How do you think a competitor would feel if Triumph start winning.

Never mind the development advantage; Triumph would have an enormous head start on design of the chassis. Even if they used someone else's chassis, it still would be according to some specs that Triumph would specify based on their understanding of their engine.

KTM, Honda, Ducati, etc all supply factory bikes to other teams, but that's the point, there are other choices available. Also, it is in the interests of the manufacturer to make sure all their bikes are competitive for sales going forward, but as we know, the factory bikes get the new bling first.

Besides, it just doesn't look or feel good.

Is there precedent for this in the past?

I hear you, but I personally still do not see the problem due to the manner in which engine allocation works.. 

Remember, even though Triumph supplies the engines, they cannot select their own engine as the engines all go the a third party who tunes and maintains the engines and then, on the Wednesday before the race, distribute the engines.  The Triumph team with their frame will only get their engine, supplied randomly, with everyone else.  This class is not at all similar to the other racing classes with factory teams, satellite teams and customer teams.  Basically, no advantage to Triumph.

There is no precedent.  This one engine class is only 5 years old and the only one who could have created the precedent was Honda and they elected not to.  They could however have raced in the class if they wanted. 

Moto 3 used a similar principle for the first time this year.  KTM, Honda and Mahindra all supplied their bikes for the 2017 season to a third party distributor, who then distributed randomly to the factory team, the satellite teams and the customer teams.  This meant that, at least at the start of the season, all teams should be equal.  We see the impact with the KTM's very clearly in that the Platinum Bay Real Estate Team (Darryn Binder) is currently more competitive than the factory team of Aki Ajo / Red Bull.
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #266 on: June 06, 2017, 12:06:54 pm »
I wonder if Triumph will enter one of their own bikes? With a prototype Triumph chassis, etc.

Surely there is some big bucks coming in with this new deal and will create the opportunity.

I cannot understand that a manufacturer, contributing sweet blow all, now suddenly get engines for moto2?
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #267 on: June 06, 2017, 01:08:22 pm »
I wonder if Triumph will enter one of their own bikes? With a prototype Triumph chassis, etc.

Surely there is some big bucks coming in with this new deal and will create the opportunity.

I cannot understand that a manufacturer, contributing sweet blow all, now suddenly get engines for moto2?
Am I missing something?

Dorna went out on tender and awarded the tender to the best bidder.   Just a business transaction.








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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #268 on: June 06, 2017, 01:13:25 pm »
I wonder if Triumph will enter one of their own bikes? With a prototype Triumph chassis, etc.

Surely there is some big bucks coming in with this new deal and will create the opportunity.

I cannot understand that a manufacturer, contributing sweet blow all, now suddenly get engines for moto2?
Am I missing something?

Dorna went out on tender and awarded the tender to the best bidder.   Just a business transaction.










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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #269 on: June 07, 2017, 01:39:56 pm »
What's next? BSA twins?

Racing is in the doldrums. Small wonder that even a legend like Yamaha is far less eager to put money into racing.
 

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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #270 on: June 07, 2017, 07:34:51 pm »
What's next? BSA twins?

Racing is in the doldrums. Small wonder that even a legend like Yamaha is far less eager to put money into racing.

You haven't been watching, or following racing much, have you?

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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #271 on: June 07, 2017, 08:30:19 pm »
What's next? BSA twins?

Racing is in the doldrums. Small wonder that even a legend like Yamaha is far less eager to put money into racing.

You haven't been watching, or following racing much, have you?

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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #272 on: June 07, 2017, 09:02:53 pm »
What's next? BSA twins?

Racing is in the doldrums. Small wonder that even a legend like Yamaha is far less eager to put money into racing.

You haven't been watching, or following racing much, have you?



Sorry, too busy riding. Missing all these other okes riding events.

I understand.  I haven't been spending any time watching your ride, so I wouldn't express and opinion on that, but that is just me.   :ricky:

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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #273 on: June 11, 2017, 09:51:07 am »
Bloody hell!  Those Yamahas stink this weekend.  Rossi could probably lap faster on a pre-doohickey KLR. 

Hard day for me today.  My three favourites all qualified in terrible positions.

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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #274 on: June 11, 2017, 10:06:11 am »
I am about to leave for a bud's house in Somerset West to go see those Yamahas continue to over 500 GP victories.

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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #275 on: June 11, 2017, 11:02:53 am »
How long you staying there - a month?  :biggrin:
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #276 on: June 11, 2017, 11:15:51 am »
Bloody hell!  Those Yamahas stink this weekend.  Rossi could probably lap faster on a pre-doohickey KLR

Hard day for me today.  My three favourites all qualified in terrible positions.

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Hey watch it! I passed a bunch of superbikes in bends at Golden Gate on my way to the 2010 national bash on my pre-doohickey KLR  :lol8:

Anyway, seems if Yamaha complains about a "lack of grip" on the Friday then you know it's gonna be one of those weekends for them.
 

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« Reply #277 on: June 11, 2017, 04:08:41 pm »
I am about to leave for a bud's house in Somerset West to go see those Yamahas continue to over 500 GP victories.

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You were misled.  There was no MotoGP today.  It was a Tyre Preservation Show instead.   :-[
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Re: MotoGP 2017
« Reply #278 on: June 11, 2017, 04:35:30 pm »
Marques fell four times yesterday. No grip problem today.
The tyres on the Yamahas on the other hand :eek7:
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« Reply #279 on: June 11, 2017, 04:37:57 pm »
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Yamaha's rule.......from the rear. :xxbah:

I have noticed something interesting though; 1. the Ducati's are not that much faster anymore, and 2. they are far more planted and stable on track.

Ducati is learning. They are doing well.

Jeez, that was painful.