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Re: Dakar 2018
« Reply #980 on: January 14, 2018, 08:44:07 pm »
Itís a shame that tommrow is canceled :( I want the guys at the top to fight it out ALL the way... and for TP tomhave enough time to attack...

I have a sense that TP doesn't have it in him this year. At least the raw speed/confidence he used to have before his crash, that enabled him to dictate to others when there was a need (i.e. go out there and win stage on his own). Today he had golden oportunity to create pressure on his main oponents (AVB, KB and JBB) and it looks he didn't even try.

I am guessing that he is not yet 100% fit and therefore this game of slow attrition is probably the smartest strategy. But KTM are starting to run out of time and if they continue like this may depend solely on mistakes made by other teams, rather than their own successfull initiative.

Still quite a few stages...so lets see.Thus far " Mr. Price " looks more reserved.
 

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Re: Dakar 2018
« Reply #981 on: January 14, 2018, 08:53:08 pm »
Our boys are progressing through the mud.
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Willem and Donovan@WP9
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Re: Dakar 2018
« Reply #982 on: January 14, 2018, 08:54:32 pm »
Can you imagine the upset if AVB wins it on the Yamaha.  Will be a huge eye opener for KTM and Honda.

I can see why Tobes is not taking any risks with that huge pin in his leg (that got replaced as recently as October  :eek7:).  According to me he's quite a bit faster than any of the other top riders and is therefore still able to tag along, hoping to pounce on mistakes from the others.  Give him time till next year  ;)

Apart from the French combo (pity about Soultrait) I really like the Honda duo of Benavides and Barreda.  Benavides will surely benefit from the Argentinian leg coming up and has a very real chance of nailing it for the win.

Pity about the cancellation of tomorrow's stage due to weather and protests against Bolivian president Evo Morales and Dakar ??? What is that all about?
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Re: Dakar 2018
« Reply #983 on: January 14, 2018, 09:06:27 pm »
Iím a huge KTM fanboy, but if they donít win this year I hope itís Yamaha. Just because they seem like ďunderdogsĒ compared to Honda. And I donít like Hondaís propensity for butthurt when things donít go their way
 

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« Reply #984 on: January 14, 2018, 09:09:02 pm »
and protests against Bolivian president Evo Morales and Dakar ??? What is that all about?

Eish. Gilly mentioned something on Facebook about having to do a huge detour, or some kind of delay, due to protests last week. Those were apparently nothing to do with Dakar, but Bliksem! Can't they wait until next week to protest?
 

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« Reply #985 on: January 14, 2018, 09:09:44 pm »
Gerry meanwhile rolls on past WP8  :lamer:
 

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Re: Dakar 2018
« Reply #986 on: January 14, 2018, 09:10:39 pm »
And David finishes the stage  ;D
 

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Re: Dakar 2018
« Reply #987 on: January 14, 2018, 09:23:27 pm »
Hmm
Speculation on Twitter that due to the bivvy being basically a mud-hole, riders are going to be asked to ride to the bivvy at Salta tonight. That's an iron-butt day, way over 1000km.
Not confirmed, but bliksem.
 

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Re: Dakar 2018
« Reply #988 on: January 14, 2018, 09:24:39 pm »
Question for yous that have read up on the Honda's.

Is the bike based on their CRF250 Rally with a CRF 450cc engine or is it a real deal CRF 450 Rally being tested for the real world?
 

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Re: Dakar 2018
« Reply #989 on: January 14, 2018, 09:32:25 pm »
Thread cleaned of R&P stuff. Keep it on Dakar.
I wonder where that road goes? And that, has usually made all the difference. Appologies to Mr Frost

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« Reply #990 on: January 14, 2018, 09:35:17 pm »

Question for yous that have read up on the Honda's.

Is the bike based on their CRF250 Rally with a CRF 450cc engine or is it a real deal CRF 450 Rally being tested for the real world?

It is definitely not based on CRF250 Rally. Honda has been racing these Dakar 450s (in all their incarnations) way before any CRF250 existed. And I'm pretty sure there is not much common between the bikes apart from the looks (where 250 was roughly based on Dakar 450).

Whether there is 450 coming out on the market or not, I don't know - check with Hardy de Kock, he might know. But this being Honda, unlike KTM (at least in the good old days of LC8) their real world bikes usually have very little common with the rally machines- apart from looks - even if they use racing successes for marketing. For example original AFrica Twin XRV750, that was being marketed based on the Honda successed in Dakar in 80s, had absolutely nothing common with the race bike. It actually had a modified engine from some cruiser or some such. I don't think there was single component common (not so sure about its predecesor XRV650 which was supposedly better though).

And looking at the CRF250 Rally - it seems pretty safe bet that Honda again is going to be conservative and will not produce anything remotely similar to their real racing machines, even if it is going to look similar. They are again going to push sensibility over thrills. I would like to be wrong on this one ...

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Re: Dakar 2018
« Reply #991 on: January 14, 2018, 10:05:54 pm »
Willem and Donovan@ASS
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Re: Dakar 2018
« Reply #992 on: January 14, 2018, 10:49:11 pm »
Question for yous that have read up on the Honda's.

Is the bike based on their CRF250 Rally with a CRF 450cc engine or is it a real deal CRF 450 Rally being tested for the real world?
I know the first year or two it was based on the CRF450X with added power by means of some parts of the CRF450R mx bike (head etc.). By now I dont know maybe still some dna.
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Re: Dakar 2018
« Reply #993 on: January 14, 2018, 11:08:56 pm »
Gerry through WP10. He should be 45-60 minutes away from the ASS.
 

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« Reply #994 on: January 14, 2018, 11:16:01 pm »
Gabriela is home!

See ya on Tuesday - or rather not, I better get moving with my Moz trip...  :peepwall: :ricky:

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« Reply #995 on: January 14, 2018, 11:18:23 pm »
Gabriela is home!

See ya on Tuesday - or rather not, I better get moving with my Moz trip...  :peepwall: :ricky:

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« Reply #996 on: January 14, 2018, 11:26:25 pm »
OK, I'm back  :peepwall: O0

This is from advrider - is this true (I don't know where to check for official penalties). If so it is going to mix up top 10 quite a bit:

MATTHIAS WALKNER
RED BULL KTM FACTORY TEAM 27H 28' 37'' + 00H 06' 34'' 00H 01' 00''
ANTOINE MEO
RED BULL KTM FACTORY TEAM 27H 31' 59'' + 00H 09' 56'' 00H 01' 00''
STEFAN SVITKO
SLOVNAFT RALLY TEAM 27H 53' 58'' + 00H 31' 55'' 00H 01' 00''

All 1 Hour penalty

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Re: Dakar 2018
« Reply #997 on: January 14, 2018, 11:28:54 pm »
Ok, I fell for it. Getting hours and minutes mixed up - they all got 1 minute, not one hour.

Time to take break...

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Re: Dakar 2018
« Reply #998 on: January 14, 2018, 11:33:47 pm »
Ok, I fell for it. Getting hours and minutes mixed up - they all got 1 minute, not one hour.

Time to take break...

I hour penalty for you  :dousing:
 

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« Reply #999 on: January 14, 2018, 11:39:51 pm »
Ok, I fell for it. Getting hours and minutes mixed up - they all got 1 minute, not one hour.

Time to take break...

I hour penalty for you  :dousing:

That is fine, I'm here for the finish not position.

I ride Malle Moto (or rather 'Originals by Motul') - my maid is still 'closed' as she puts it, so I had to wash my own dishes today and stuff unassisted. I better catch my three hours of sleep before tomorrows long liaison - it's going to be bitch!