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Offline DustySprocket

Hi Guys / Gals,

I'm looking for a second bike that can be used for more technical / endure style riding as my 850GS is a bit heavy for the real tech stuff whilst legally riding to the venue. Don't have space for a trailer on my property.

I've not ridden it yet, but all the comments I've seen to date is that the KTM 500 can be a handful - both power as well as weight. It sounds like the ultimate machine for more open adventures.

I had a 300 EXC for a while, but to get to the dirt, plus the 2-stroke power-band did not work for me.

Any recommendations will be highly appreciated.
 

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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2020, 09:00:52 pm »
Freeride 350
 
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2020, 10:03:32 pm »
Yamaha WR250R.

Can cruise on highway between 90 - 110km/h. Bullet proof. Light. Excellent of road. Crashes well. Parts are plentiful.
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2020, 11:05:24 pm »
KTM350
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2020, 11:25:25 pm »
XR650L
 

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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2020, 01:03:54 am »
I think that you are damning the KTM500 with faint praise. The whole point of the bike is that it is physically as small as the other KTM's and not much heavier and it has a very docile motor.The place where it is big is the hole in your bank balance. I hadn't seen a WR250R until I came to Oz, the comment by SupeDave is largely correct, though I don't think you will be visiting too many spares shops or gas stations it is heavy - heavier than the KTM. Speaking of that all important 6th gear for getting there, I only found out here that the DRZ and KLX 400/250 share the same casings and the KLX... s is sold here with  6 speeds in the box. Go figure DRZ owners!
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2020, 07:40:31 pm »
Yamaha WR250R.

Can cruise on highway between 90 - 110km/h. Bullet proof. Light. Excellent of road. Crashes well. Parts are plentiful.

Yamaha dealer support not that great in South Africa.

Looks like I must go an investigate the 350 option.
 

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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2020, 07:42:13 pm »
XR650L

A solid machine - but in my humble opinion not suited for the technical stuff I want to do.
 

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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2020, 07:52:49 pm »
XR650L

A solid machine - but in my humble opinion not suited for the technical stuff I want to do.

Tell that to the guy that did the Tankwa race on one last year
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2020, 08:51:58 pm »
I think that you are damning the KTM500 with faint praise. The whole point of the bike is that it is physically as small as the other KTM's and not much heavier and it has a very docile motor.The place where it is big is the hole in your bank balance. I hadn't seen a WR250R until I came to Oz, the comment by SupeDave is largely correct, though I don't think you will be visiting too many spares shops or gas stations it is heavy - heavier than the KTM. Speaking of that all important 6th gear for getting there, I only found out here that the DRZ and KLX 400/250 share the same casings and the KLX... s is sold here with  6 speeds in the box. Go figure DRZ owners!
Know you got a KLX400 years ago, same as DRZ in every way just green. But doubt the 250 and 400 had the same cases. The KLX250 is just an facelift from the 90ís Japanese model now with Fi but nothing like a DRZ.
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I was in the same situation, that is until I picked up a WR250F last week, fully roadworthy.

I have not ridden it as it was brought up from Hillcrest in KZN. It is currently at Offroad Cycles so Runner can give it a once over and fix a few little issues.

Cannot wait to ride it though. Good luck with your hunt


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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2020, 11:18:59 pm »
I think the XR650L is a heavy pig stock standard for what it is. Some mild upgrades and a selective approach will get it down to around 135kg dry (tank empty) weight. That's pretty much 100kg lighter than a F850.
Factor in a wide ratio gearbox, plush seat and cruising ability all day long at 120+ and you end up with with a DS bike that can do a lot. Any 500 / 400 is going to be a real plastic which will be a pain in the arse on
extended trips. The lightweight 650 class seems to tick all my boxes but there are not many options out there. XR600R, XR650L - but then that is my personal opinion. The 690 is just too heavy and KTM measure
weight dry with no fluids , battery, fork oil etc - so does not qualify. (again my personal opinion)
Maybe trade in your F850 for a late model 990 adventure R and buy another cheaper more dirt orientated Dual Sport bike for the rest. Seriously - how much real technical terrain do you want to ride?

Alternatively - wait another 2 years for the Yamaha Tenere 700 to come out here - or just go and get a 790 ADV R. I think that will be the best bet for you. KTM 790 ADV R.
 
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2020, 09:47:41 am »
Very little difference between the KTM 350 and the 500,

In the really rough stuff the 350 is better but the 500 is more controllable in anything open or semi rough.
 
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2020, 09:52:01 am »
Maybe trade in your F850 for a late model 990 adventure R and buy another cheaper more dirt orientated Dual Sport bike for the rest. Seriously - how much real technical terrain do you want to ride?


The 850 is doing just fine for most of my riding. The 990 is an awesome product with a cult following that I can't fault, but I don't ride as fast as the guys on the 990's anyway, and in my opinion the 990 will be a bitch in slow, technical sections.   

Want to buy a second bike (n + 1 bikes in garage is never a bad thing).

Around PTA places such as De Wildt calls for a bike lighter than the run of the mill adventure bikes - unless you are a riding god, which I ain't.

The CRF250L ticks a lot of boxes, except in the engine performance category.
 
 

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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2020, 10:19:20 am »
CRF250L isn't light and may be limited by suspension and engine output.
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #15 on: January 25, 2020, 11:00:40 am »
KTM 350 all day long, plug and pray road kit, I think the 6 days comes with it.
 
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #16 on: January 25, 2020, 01:23:21 pm »
My dad was in a similar situation a while back and bought a 2018 350 Six Days which came fully roadworthy. He had ridden my 500 many times but felt it was a bit wild for the rough stuff, at his age of 60. The 350 is a bit lighter than the 500, a bit more calm, but otherwise the same.

Regardless of which bike you get, spend time getting the suspension right. This can be the difference between fighting a bike in technical sections, or hopping over obstacles effortlessly.
 
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #17 on: January 25, 2020, 01:33:23 pm »
Not many people who think that a KTM500 has too much weight or too much motor.  It is light and docile
 
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2020, 03:19:01 pm »
I will seriously consider a 500 katoem.
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Re: Recommendation on a street legal "plastic" - smaller than KTM 500
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2020, 03:54:30 pm »
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