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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #60 on: April 06, 2021, 07:30:19 pm »
KLR650 Fugly. A no nonsense, go anywhere, very affordable, value for money bike.

Fix :
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4. IMS big tank. Fugly. Not for better range, but good radiator protection if you going to get in rough stuff.
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #61 on: April 06, 2021, 08:45:22 pm »
KLR650 Fugly. A no nonsense, go anywhere, very affordable, value for money bike.

Fix :
1. Suspension
2. Doohickey
3. Deep hole
4. IMS big tank. Fugly. Not for better range, but good radiator protection if you going to get in rough stuff.

Wie in jou opinie is die mense wie se raad mens kan vra oor KLRís?
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #62 on: April 06, 2021, 09:12:34 pm »
KLR650 Fugly. A no nonsense, go anywhere, very affordable, value for money bike.

Fix :
1. Suspension
2. Doohickey
3. Deep hole
4. IMS big tank. Fugly. Not for better range, but good radiator protection if you going to get in rough stuff.

Wie in jou opinie is die mense wie se raad mens kan vra oor KLRís?

Hang af wat jy wil weet. Meganies en waartoe die bike instaat is... Groenie.
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #63 on: April 06, 2021, 09:19:32 pm »
KLR650 Fugly. A no nonsense, go anywhere, very affordable, value for money bike.

Fix :
1. Suspension
2. Doohickey
3. Deep hole
4. IMS big tank. Fugly. Not for better range, but good radiator protection if you going to get in rough stuff.

Wie in jou opinie is die mense wie se raad mens kan vra oor KLRís?
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #64 on: April 06, 2021, 10:40:38 pm »
The quintessential, original trans africa bike IMHO was the XT500, @ 30hp 

Read that again...  30 hp

on a bike loaded with kit, tyres, steel jerrycan, potjie for potjie kos etc., light that is rivalled by a lantern and suspension that is a slight upgrade from tennis balls stuck in a tube. - I had 2.

For a tour with minimal kit to carry, starting with the humble TTR 250 (@28HP) you can work yourself up to a DR/XLR 650 (although I think that will be overkill), and they will all on paper, be better than The Original.

For a less experienced rider, I reckon the 400cc range (DR, XR) would be ideal, but they are getting pretty old.







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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #65 on: April 07, 2021, 10:36:01 am »
I don't get the bike selection. If the trails are technical then a small dirt bike with number plates would be the best choice. If the rider can take your average 650 into a trail then it was not technical to begin with. Keep the AT and just wing it.
Haven't seen something this poorly thought out in ages.
My DR650 weighing @ 165kg's (Weighed myself)
My friends KTM 1090 @ 254kg's (Weighed myself)

Went through some rivers and often watched the KTM get stuck solely on account of it's weight. This coming from me, a new rider with 3 month's experience at the time where I could literally let the bike make up for my lack of talent.
My point is that the OP mentioned the rider was not experienced yet most of the bikes he mentions as options are quite heavy. Your average rocky trail up a mountain with >=650 cc will be an adventure while on a dirt bike you won't even break a sweat. So if the choice is between the AT and a host of other mid-sized adventure bikes then rather keep the AT.
 

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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #66 on: April 07, 2021, 10:41:01 am »
Ek WEET dis uit die 60000 Budget uit........maar daai nuwe CRF 300?? Brand new, regte size, regte alles, vir 25000 meer?
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #67 on: April 07, 2021, 10:47:49 am »
Saam met my Post hier bo gelees sou ek ook se hy kan vir rondom 60000 'n BAIE mooi CRF 250 Rally kry........?? Hy het 'n AT, so daai Rally sal hom lekker "fit".
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #68 on: April 07, 2021, 10:51:50 am »
Ek WEET dis uit die 60000 Budget uit........maar daai nuwe CRF 300?? Brand new, regte size, regte alles, vir 25000 meer?

As jy kyk wat kos bikes deesdae, en jy kyk wat jy kry vir 85k met die nuwe 300L,  Petri, jy maak `n uitstekende punt.
Ek voel regtig Honda gaan `n wereld oopsluit vir Jan Alleman met die nuwe 300.

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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #69 on: April 07, 2021, 11:51:10 am »
Just see how well the DR650 is doing in the poll imagine Suzuki gives this model an update but keep it simple, rugged and reliable - it will sell thousands more !

650cc liquid cooled
155kg
55hp more than enough
12000km service intervals
12 L tank
Fi
ABS only as option
Use DRZ 400 digital speedo as a cheap upgrade
Stiffer fork springs as stock
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #70 on: April 07, 2021, 02:53:54 pm »
Die 230 was n interessante opinie - was hy oraait op die trip of is die 650 beter keuse?
Kyk wat kos n 230 met 1000 kilos op!!! :o

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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #71 on: April 07, 2021, 03:27:27 pm »
And WRT old school thumpers and their fuel consumption and oil usage according to the comments above:

Neither my DR ( with 35k on the clock) nor my gen1 KLR (98k on the clock) use a drop of oil.

On trips ( 70-80% gravel), I average 24kpl on the DR, and 26kpl on the KLR - though I do ride like the ballie I am ( as @Ri will attest).

And yet Petri, above, makes very good points about the imminent CRF 300, and the availability of the slightly less specced CRF 250ís for less than 60k. Seems like a no-brainer given the relative rarity of second hand DRís in SA.
 

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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #72 on: April 07, 2021, 04:33:27 pm »
I am all for old school basic bikes but on our trip with you Hardy, the DR I rode (albeit not pristine or standard) used double the amount of fuel compared to the 501. The G450X needed 4L for every 3L on the 501.

Sure fuel consumption is not why we buy bikes but when doing long distance remote travel, how far you can go on say 20L of fuel carried should be an important consideration.

And I am biased too but I sold my 690 just over the upper end of the budget mentioned and I would've trusted that bike to take me to Cairo and back.

Other than that, I would also go BMX

In all fairness  the DR that you rode had a pumper carb fitted which doesnít do much for economy , but then again the DR did last the whole trip .
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #73 on: April 07, 2021, 04:41:35 pm »
Just see how well the DR650 is doing in the poll imagine Suzuki gives this model an update but keep it simple, rugged and reliable - it will sell thousands more !

650cc liquid cooled
155kg
55hp more than enough
12000km service intervals
12 L tank
Fi
ABS only as option
Use DRZ 400 digital speedo as a cheap upgrade
Stiffer fork springs as stock

Oil/air cooled  ?
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #74 on: April 07, 2021, 06:37:12 pm »
Just see how well the DR650 is doing in the poll imagine Suzuki gives this model an update but keep it simple, rugged and reliable - it will sell thousands more !

650cc liquid cooled
155kg
55hp more than enough
12000km service intervals
12 L tank
Fi
ABS only as option
Use DRZ 400 digital speedo as a cheap upgrade
Stiffer fork springs as stock

Oil/air cooled  ?
Only Chinese air cooled bikes seem to make emissions tests  :deal: LC to get it trough
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #75 on: April 07, 2021, 07:06:21 pm »
Just see how well the DR650 is doing in the poll imagine Suzuki gives this model an update but keep it simple, rugged and reliable - it will sell thousands more !

650cc liquid cooled
155kg
55hp more than enough
12000km service intervals
12 L tank
Fi
ABS only as option
Use DRZ 400 digital speedo as a cheap upgrade
Stiffer fork springs as stock

Oil/air cooled  ?
Only Chinese air cooled bikes seem to make emissions tests  :deal: LC to get it trough

Now isnít that just so weird
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #76 on: April 07, 2021, 07:24:06 pm »
KLR fan... :sip:
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #77 on: April 08, 2021, 12:28:23 pm »
I am all for old school basic bikes but on our trip with you Hardy, the DR I rode (albeit not pristine or standard) used double the amount of fuel compared to the 501. The G450X needed 4L for every 3L on the 501.

Sure fuel consumption is not why we buy bikes but when doing long distance remote travel, how far you can go on say 20L of fuel carried should be an important consideration.

And I am biased too but I sold my 690 just over the upper end of the budget mentioned and I would've trusted that bike to take me to Cairo and back.

Other than that, I would also go BMX

In all fairness  the DR that you rode had a pumper carb fitted which doesnít do much for economy , but then again the DR did last the whole trip .

People like to jump on the "DR completed the trip" wagon as if it's some magical unicorn. All the bikes made the trip except the dodgy one I bought just before the trip which happened to have had pre-existing issues.

I was blown away that the DR lasted the trip to be totally honest. It's a little tired, was using almost as much oil as fuel and it was as straight as Elton John.
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #78 on: April 08, 2021, 12:36:19 pm »
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Re: Which affordable dual sport bike for beginners, and why?
« Reply #79 on: April 08, 2021, 01:05:52 pm »
I don't get the bike selection. If the trails are technical then a small dirt bike with number plates would be the best choice. If the rider can take your average 650 into a trail then it was not technical to begin with. Keep the AT and just wing it.
Haven't seen something this poorly thought out in ages.
My DR650 weighing @ 165kg's (Weighed myself)
My friends KTM 1090 @ 254kg's (Weighed myself)

Went through some rivers and often watched the KTM get stuck solely on account of it's weight. This coming from me, a new rider with 3 month's experience at the time where I could literally let the bike make up for my lack of talent.
My point is that the OP mentioned the rider was not experienced yet most of the bikes he mentions as options are quite heavy. Your average rocky trail up a mountain with >=650 cc will be an adventure while on a dirt bike you won't even break a sweat. So if the choice is between the AT and a host of other mid-sized adventure bikes then rather keep the AT.
So if most of the options listed are quite heavy, how heavy is the AT then? Very heavy?
You even said it yourself when you referred to the "other mid-sized" adventure bikes, yet somehow think they are the same as the AT?
Do you know what a dual sport is? Why are you then comparing dirt bikes? When last did you slab 30km of highway on a 2 stroke dirt bike?
Think about the purpose of the thread and realize that you are arguing a completely different point.

AT Wet weight - 242kg
DR650 - 166kg  (76kg difference)
KTM 300 - 110kg (56kg from DR - 132kg from AT)

How on earth can you insinuate that the guy should keep the AT as if the difference was so marginal?
Normally I wouldn't argue but this thread is supposed to be informative yet you, sir, are misleading and talking kak.

No offence but, what rubbish.
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