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Re: JUMPING TOLL GATES
« Reply #40 on: July 09, 2021, 02:23:45 pm »
I have a eTag on my motorcycle, and pay each and every time I make use of the tollgates.

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Re: JUMPING TOLL GATES
« Reply #41 on: July 09, 2021, 09:41:54 pm »
Not paying toll is quite popular amongst many bikers , as they feel bikes pay more for the space they use . Now a new fine has been implemented . its R500 per gate or gantry . and they have you on film . so rather pay up than slide past  .
Fine from whom, it's a toll concession and privately managed, so who administers the fine?

There is a fancy mandate that can be given.  You can even apply for it for your own driveway and then the cops can come fine your buddies legally.

Our law system has what is called 'separation of powers'  which provides checks and balances and divide the state into legislative, executive and judicial.  This prevents abuse of power. (over the people or civilians)

Now the above law touched on to his for me.  All fine in my opinion if you give a mandate for your driveway (or lets use the example of a shopping mall private parking lot) for police to catch criminals based on the laws that they have to abide by.  But when you start incorporating private rules into law I think it is a slippery slope.

Jumping a toll gate of a private company is a civil matter.  It can be seen as theft and should be dealt with as such. But having it's own Aarto code? I am not so sure about that.
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Yes @TheBear  please tell us more about this mandate and how civil matters (you owe me money for not paying my tolls) van become criminal matters (you skipped a red light).  How does that work?

I don't know how it works KilRoy.  I am no legal boffin.  I just happen to know that it is possible to do. 

My question to you and others.  Do you honestly believe our road laws are not applicable on a toll road?  Put in another way, do we honestly believe that a bunch of us here on WDs would know more than the rooms full of legal experts on both government and toll operator's payroll when they decided on how these tolls would operate?

You misunderstand. Road laws are applicable on toll roads yes, but not civil toll paying matters which most certainly has nothing to do with fines or road laws.  You mentioned a mandate that can be given (even on you driveway) which allows cops to fine you for not paying tolls?  Please elaborate on this claim?  What legal mandate is this where cops can fine you for not paying for tolls?
 

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Re: JUMPING TOLL GATES
« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2021, 11:07:45 am »
I cannot believe there is still people with an e-tag, I mean really?????

 

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Re: JUMPING TOLL GATES
« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2021, 09:50:48 pm »
My question to you and others.  Do you honestly believe our road laws are not applicable on a toll road?  Put in another way, do we honestly believe that a bunch of us here on WDs would know more than the rooms full of legal experts on both government and toll operator's payroll when they decided on how these tolls would operate?

The contract between two private citizens are not part of our road laws.
Bakwena is a private entity.  If I have a tiff with them (lets say I painted their offices and the contract went south) then they should not be able to sit back and watch police charge me with a criminal offence.
They should make a case like every other private entity and take it to court.
This is very similar to me not paying a toll fee for whatever reason (maybe it was a e-tag malfunction and it could escalate into a criminal record)

Sanral on the other hand is a different story I think.

Don't know enough though and might be on a total wrong line of thinking.
 

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Re: JUMPING TOLL GATES
« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2021, 07:34:10 am »
You are 100%, hence my question to Bear to explain this ‘mandate’ which allows for the police to enforce private issues.  He is not providing any explanation though, so i guess its just speculation and false news?
 
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Re: JUMPING TOLL GATES
« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2021, 01:26:32 pm »
You are 100%, hence my question to Bear to explain this ‘mandate’ which allows for the police to enforce private issues.  He is not providing any explanation though, so i guess its just speculation and false news?

If I trespass on your property, which is private, you may have the police arrest me.
 

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Re: JUMPING TOLL GATES
« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2021, 01:37:23 pm »
I cannot believe there is still people with an e-tag, I mean really?????

If you travel to Polokwane on a Friday, let's say the Moira weekend, it makes perfect sense to have an e tag, cause you simply cruise through the dedicated e-tollgate - no queue, no nothing.

Us mere mortals without e tags, have to queue for hours behind all the other road users.

But I agree, for driving on the Gauteng Freeways, no way I'll use the e tag.

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Re: JUMPING TOLL GATES
« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2021, 02:21:06 pm »
I cannot believe there is still people with an e-tag, I mean really?????

If you travel to Polokwane on a Friday, let's say the Moira weekend, it makes perfect sense to have an e tag, cause you simply cruise through the dedicated e-tollgate - no queue, no nothing.

Us mere mortals without e tags, have to queue for hours behind all the other road users.

But I agree, for driving on the Gauteng Freeways, no way I'll use the e tag.

I still have three e-tags.  They were never linked to the sanral e-toll however and only worked on bakwena. 
Works great on N1 north and N4 east as Leo mentioned.  Need to update paperwork if I want to use them again.
 

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Re: JUMPING TOLL GATES
« Reply #48 on: July 14, 2021, 03:27:13 pm »
I cannot believe there is still people with an e-tag, I mean really?????

If you travel to Polokwane on a Friday, let's say the Moira weekend, it makes perfect sense to have an e tag, cause you simply cruise through the dedicated e-tollgate - no queue, no nothing.

Us mere mortals without e tags, have to queue for hours behind all the other road users.

But I agree, for driving on the Gauteng Freeways, no way I'll use the e tag.
I do that, but i dont own a tag!  :imaposer:
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Re: JUMPING TOLL GATES
« Reply #49 on: July 14, 2021, 04:01:58 pm »
I cannot believe there is still people with an e-tag, I mean really?????

If you travel to Polokwane on a Friday, let's say the Moira weekend, it makes perfect sense to have an e tag, cause you simply cruise through the dedicated e-tollgate - no queue, no nothing.

Us mere mortals without e tags, have to queue for hours behind all the other road users.

But I agree, for driving on the Gauteng Freeways, no way I'll use the e tag.
I do that, but i dont own a tag!  :imaposer:

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Re: JUMPING TOLL GATES
« Reply #50 on: July 14, 2021, 10:35:13 pm »
You are 100%, hence my question to Bear to explain this ‘mandate’ which allows for the police to enforce private issues.  He is not providing any explanation though, so i guess its just speculation and false news?

If I trespass on your property, which is private, you may have the police arrest me.

Sure for trespassing which is a criminal offense. I cant get the police to give you fine paid to me..
 

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Re: JUMPING TOLL GATES
« Reply #51 on: July 15, 2021, 06:47:16 am »
I do that, but i dont own a tag!  :imaposer:

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Re: JUMPING TOLL GATES
« Reply #52 on: July 15, 2021, 08:04:15 am »
Anyone driving on the great north road, north for the Easter weekend is simply nuts.
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Re: JUMPING TOLL GATES
« Reply #53 on: July 15, 2021, 10:41:45 am »
And there I was this whole time, thinking THIS is how you jump a Toll Gate.
 

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Re: JUMPING TOLL GATES
« Reply #54 on: July 15, 2021, 08:21:31 pm »
Toll gates do have a justice system, when you dont get the timing right
on the tail gating the pole has connected with my helmet twice.So be
carefull an get the timing right, an i dont pay no way.
 

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Re: JUMPING TOLL GATES
« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2021, 08:11:17 am »
Toll gates do have a justice system, when you dont get the timing right
on the tail gating the pole has connected with my helmet twice.So be
carefull an get the timing right, an i dont pay no way.

I know of someone who lost their mirror to the boom  :lol8: But he managed to keep his mighty GSA on 2 wheels and continue his trip  :patch:
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Re: JUMPING TOLL GATES
« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2021, 08:13:11 am »
Toll gates do have a justice system, when you dont get the timing right
on the tail gating the pole has connected with my helmet twice.So be
carefull an get the timing right, an i dont pay no way.

I know of someone who lost their mirror to the boom  :lol8: But he managed to keep his mighty GSA on 2 wheels and continue his trip  :patch:

Probably with the boom and attached pay booth in tow.......
 

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Re: JUMPING TOLL GATES
« Reply #57 on: July 16, 2021, 11:58:48 am »
Vra vir @Leo hy sal Jul vertel van wegjaag en nie n grondpad af draai kry nie
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Re: JUMPING TOLL GATES
« Reply #58 on: July 16, 2021, 12:18:51 pm »
Vra vir @Leo hy sal Jul vertel van wegjaag en nie n grondpad af draai kry nie

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Re: JUMPING TOLL GATES
« Reply #59 on: July 16, 2021, 12:19:43 pm »
Nadat hulle hom ingejaag en afgtrek het ja.
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