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A convertable bike? SE to Superduke, HP2 to Adventure
« on: September 30, 2010, 12:36:12 am »
I really dig my 990 Adv, but shamefully I have been casting a lustful eye at the 950se, and then secretly get aroused when I see a Superduke, nursing a semi at the white and olive (babyshit green)  they have Proaction, all three have different flavours and do really well in certain areas. Sometimes I just want blast on dirt roads with no destination in mind, and sometimes want to rip through a tarred pass, the 990 Adv has talent in both scenarios but the dialed in half sister awaits to ridden, showing to all how it is done - a man has needs. :3some:

Now how difficult would it be to create a base bike, and different kits you can buy to convert your bike to whatever flavour. The kits would/could consist of wheels (with tyres disks and sprockets), front sprocket, handlebars (?), front disk caliper blanks (so you can run one disk) and possibly include a caliper mounts with different dimensions to cater for larger disk (SM models), petrol tanks, maybe seats, even engine mappings. I suppose you would have to make provisions for geometry changes, but I am sure it can be done. The base bike new would cost say R120000 and then depending on the kit you take, the price would increase. This way you buy the kit to change bikes and not an entire bike. If you feel like a change you could either convert yourself, or send it in to be done for a fee.

I think there is more sense in hoping one owner potentially buying three kits for a base bike than there is in one owner buying three bikes.

BMW could easily do the same thing with model lineup, they have a similar offerings that are derived from each other, to have an HP2 for today's outride and an Adventure next week's long weekend would be awesome.

What do you think?
 

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Re: A convertable bike? SE to Superduke, HP2 to Adventure
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2010, 12:48:53 am »
I think the closest you'll get is to buy something like a 950 SE, and get the following:
- supermotard wheels - complete - bolt on and rip up the passes (you won't need multiple caliper setups if done right)
- RV aqualine long range tank
- some sort of bolt on screen / fairing, like the lynx http://www.britanniacomposites.com/lynx.html

add tank / fairing for adventure touring, leave in standard form for technical and day to day riding, and add motard wheels for tar hooliganism  :thumleft:
 

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Re: A convertable bike? SE to Superduke, HP2 to Adventure
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2010, 07:31:40 am »
AFIK, the main factors contributing to a bikes' suitability for different applications, is frame, steering and suspension geometry.
Different sprockets/wheels/brakes/tyres will not make an adventure bike into "sport" bike.
Look at the DRZ - there's the dual-purpose/off-road "E" and the road-going "SM". They are essentially the same bike - chassis/suspension - with shorter travel. The SM is a bit less powerful and obviously has different gears and wheels/tyres.  You can put 17" wheels on the "E", but the "SM" handles a bit better with it's shorter suspension.
I think it would be prohibitively expensive to develop a bike with varying frame/fork geometry.
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Re: A convertable bike? SE to Superduke, HP2 to Adventure
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2010, 07:39:30 am »
I think it's an excellent idea = especially being able to go from HP2 to GSA and back... I'd buy one!  :thumleft:
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Re: A convertable bike? SE to Superduke, HP2 to Adventure
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2010, 07:47:42 am »
I think the closest you'll get is to buy something like a 950 SE, and get the following:
- supermotard wheels - complete - bolt on and rip up the passes (you won't need multiple caliper setups if done right)
- RV aqualine long range tank
- some sort of bolt oun screen / fairing, like the lynx http://www.britanniacomposites.com/lynx.html

add tank / fairing for adventure touring, leave in standard form for technical and day to day riding, and add motard wheels for tar hooliganism  :thumleft:

Howzit Wes,

I think the lynx fairing is clever with the adjustable screen, and there are really neat aftarmarket products, but the concept must really be developed by the manufacturer, where they extensively test, research and developed each genre of the bike. When the kit is fitted, it must look OEM, perform like a pukka Adv or Sm or enduro. It kit would obviously be extensive, right down to engine mappings, maybe a more fuel efficient for the Adv (ha ha a LC8 that is fuel efficient, isn't that an oxymoron, or am I a moron believing you could do it!)

Right now I could get a smaller front wheel and put a road tyres on the bike but it would like an adventure with different wheels, not a like a Superduke. Often our modifications extend to permanent changes to the bike which could lead to the bike loosing appeal if you had to sell it, but with kits from the factory fitted it would in fact increase the appeal if say you had two of the kits...hope I am clear.

 

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Re: A convertable bike? SE to Superduke, HP2 to Adventure
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2010, 07:52:43 am »
This works.....
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Re: A convertable bike? SE to Superduke, HP2 to Adventure
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2010, 08:03:17 am »
This works.....

I have a woody now! However the Sm is not going to happen here. I often think I should have bought the Se, but I know had I, I would most probably have pined for a bigger tank, or softer seat, never bloody happy.

Do you think the seat and tank are interchangeable on the se and adventure?
 

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Re: A convertable bike? SE to Superduke, HP2 to Adventure
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2010, 08:14:10 am »
Do you think the seat and tank are interchangeable on the se and adventure?
No, but believe me - and all the other SE riders here, the seat aint half bad!
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Re: A convertable bike? SE to Superduke, HP2 to Adventure
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2010, 10:23:34 am »
I have a old set of Scorps which I put on if i go tar riding. Cost very low as I get Tracmac to fit and refit.

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Re: A convertable bike? SE to Superduke, HP2 to Adventure
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2010, 11:54:50 am »
Do you think the seat and tank are interchangeable on the se and adventure?
No, but believe me - and all the other SE riders here, the seat aint half bad!

Don't get me wrong, I think the SE is a awesome bike, but it will have a compromise where the ADV excels and vice versa, and then the same applies when the Superduke is thrown in.

My point really is that I would like the possibility, but developed by the factory. Every bike has shortcomings and this would greatly reduce these shortcomings, and I cannot see it being that difficult to do. You could even get differing kits that would/could have more trick stuff like longer swingarms etc. I would imagine a kit would set you back at least R30k....but it is better than hauling out another 80K - 120k for SM or an SE
 

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Re: A convertable bike? SE to Superduke, HP2 to Adventure
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2010, 02:58:05 pm »
I really dig my 990 Adv, but shamefully I have been casting a lustful eye at the 950se, and then secretly get aroused when I see a Superduke, nursing a semi at the white and olive (babyshit green)  they have Proaction, all three have different flavours and do really well in certain areas. Sometimes I just want blast on dirt roads with no destination in mind, and sometimes want to rip through a tarred pass, the 990 Adv has talent in both scenarios but the dialed in half sister awaits to ridden, showing to all how it is done - a man has needs. :3some:

Now how difficult would it be to create a base bike, and different kits you can buy to convert your bike to whatever flavour. The kits would/could consist of wheels (with tyres disks and sprockets), front sprocket, handlebars (?), front disk caliper blanks (so you can run one disk) and possibly include a caliper mounts with different dimensions to cater for larger disk (SM models), petrol tanks, maybe seats, even engine mappings. I suppose you would have to make provisions for geometry changes, but I am sure it can be done. The base bike new would cost say R120000 and then depending on the kit you take, the price would increase. This way you buy the kit to change bikes and not an entire bike. If you feel like a change you could either convert yourself, or send it in to be done for a fee.

I think there is more sense in hoping one owner potentially buying three kits for a base bike than there is in one owner buying three bikes.

BMW could easily do the same thing with model lineup, they have a similar offerings that are derived from each other, to have an HP2 for today's outride and an Adventure next week's long weekend would be awesome.

What do you think?

Why would the manufacturers want to sell you a conversion kit when they can sell you a second bike instead.  :deal:
 

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Re: A convertable bike? SE to Superduke, HP2 to Adventure
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2010, 03:57:47 pm »
I really dig my 990 Adv, but shamefully I have been casting a lustful eye at the 950se, and then secretly get aroused when I see a Superduke, nursing a semi at the white and olive (babyshit green)  they have Proaction, all three have different flavours and do really well in certain areas. Sometimes I just want blast on dirt roads with no destination in mind, and sometimes want to rip through a tarred pass, the 990 Adv has talent in both scenarios but the dialed in half sister awaits to ridden, showing to all how it is done - a man has needs. :3some:

Now how difficult would it be to create a base bike, and different kits you can buy to convert your bike to whatever flavour. The kits would/could consist of wheels (with tyres disks and sprockets), front sprocket, handlebars (?), front disk caliper blanks (so you can run one disk) and possibly include a caliper mounts with different dimensions to cater for larger disk (SM models), petrol tanks, maybe seats, even engine mappings. I suppose you would have to make provisions for geometry changes, but I am sure it can be done. The base bike new would cost say R120000 and then depending on the kit you take, the price would increase. This way you buy the kit to change bikes and not an entire bike. If you feel like a change you could either convert yourself, or send it in to be done for a fee.

I think there is more sense in hoping one owner potentially buying three kits for a base bike than there is in one owner buying three bikes.

BMW could easily do the same thing with model lineup, they have a similar offerings that are derived from each other, to have an HP2 for today's outride and an Adventure next week's long weekend would be awesome.

What do you think?

Why would the manufacturers want to sell you a conversion kit when they can sell you a second bike instead.  :deal:

Or conversely a bike owner would more likely buy a kit, (and all the serviceble parts that go along with it) than an entire bike. They are more likely to get more money out of you in that scenario :3some:
 

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Re: A convertable bike? SE to Superduke, HP2 to Adventure
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2010, 04:53:20 pm »
ACME has a HP2 on the floor, converted to an GSA,  en dit lyk befok!

HP2 with adventure screen, and panniers WOAH!!!!   :o :o :o
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