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Re: KTM 500 is it the Ultimate DS Bike
« Reply #40 on: July 02, 2011, 11:18:46 am »
Ek stem saam `beserker` die fietse is nie gemaak vir sulke lang volgehoue enjin revolusies oor sulke lang afstande nie veral die 2008-2011 450`s en 530`s want daar`s maar net 600 mil enjin olie in daai enjin`s.dink die ouer generasie fietse sal beter wees ek sien die nawe 2012 450`s en 500`s gan weer enjin en ratkas olie deel so ktm beweeg weer terug na ou enjin-ratkas olie deel werking !! Wonder hoekom  ??? Weet ook nie van julle nie maar my gat sal dit nooit hou om ds rywerk langer as -+400 km te doen nie  ;D
Ek hou van split system. Na my laaste 1200KM trip het die ratkas olie farkal gemove nie.
Die oil sight window aan motor kant maak dit heel maklik om te sien of jou olie nog reg is tydens jou smoke break.

Motor olie bly baie langer skoon.
Die amerikaners het nou weer te veel gekla oor "oil migration" tussen ratkas en motor. Ek weet van 1 ou in SA wat die issue gehad het en dis a.g.v die 2008 se crank seel wat in later modelle verander is.

600ml olie is regtig nie 'n issue as jou bike min gebruik nie. Ek en Sidetrack het about 400KM se konstante teer gery. Dit was moer k@k maar die bike kan dit doen.
Ek het 400km, drie dae na mekaar gedoen en my ass was fine.. maar ek is hardegat  :biggrin:

Die valve train van die 2008+ bikes is myle beter as RFS. Myle.
 

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Re: KTM 500 is it the Ultimate DS Bike
« Reply #41 on: July 02, 2011, 11:30:38 am »
Neduro on ADVrider :

I've been lucky to have all the years of 530, right on through my current 2011, so I thought it would be interesting to add a post that compares them, for people trying to decide what to buy (new current vs. leftover vs. used).

Executive summary: Buy the most recent one you can. 2009 is a big improvement over 2008, the subsequent years are each a little better than before but not nearly as big a jump as 08/09.

First, RFS (2007 and previous) vs. XC4 (2008 and later singlecam). IMO, the new chassis is just plain better- it handles better, it is more comfortable, and it seems to be at least as durable. Some folks like the RFS motor for durability and low end torque, but I'm not really one of them. The RFS can be built in more ways with a variety of bore/ stroke combinations, but at the end of the day, the head is far inferior, the valves seem to be much shorter lived, and it is nowhere near as nice a motor to try to race. So, better chassis, better motor = clear advantage to the XC4 bikes.

Between the XC4 models, I got a dealer to run a comparison on part numbers for me- you can see the results in this gallery. Rather than picking it apart bit by bit, which is time that could be better used poking your eye out with a stick, the point is that there are many more changes from 2008 to 2009, than there are from 2009 to 2010 or 2010 to 2011.

IMO, this means you should get the most recent one you can afford, and maybe even avoid a 2008 unless someone is giving it away. The 2009 and more recent are more reliable, and more durable, and better performing than the 2008.

The new suspension (gold colored fork tubes) that came in 2009 is, in my opinion, light years better than anything before. It's really really good right out of the box, with only the potential addition of springs to suit your weight and use necessary. 2009 is great, 2010 is slightly more polished, 2011 is even slightly better than that. Put another way, If 2011 is a 10 on a scale of 10, 2010 is a 9.5, 2009 is a 9, and 2008 is about a 6.

The new frame that came in 2010 is not very different. In riding my 2009 and 2011 back to back, side by side, there just isn't that much between them. I would not let this make my purchasing decision.

A few other notes:
- The bikes seem to have very good valve finish- I have changed one shim in 7-800 hours of use. A friend has nearly 300 hours on his 2009, valves remain in spec. I have never seen an RFS that accomplished this.
- The biggest complaint is oil burning. It can be worn rings, it can be a bad valve guide seal, and I've heard of but never witnessed a bad seal in the cases between the engine and transmission. Because the sight glass is not a perfectly reliable way to see oil capacity (who knows why!) the best method is to measure what you put in and what you get out to know where you stand.
- The EXC bikes need to be rejetted/ uncorked to be practical for use. They simply aren't a realistic option as delivered, in terms of exhaust, jetting, and gearing.
- The EXC bikes have just as much potential as the XCWs. No dumbed down cam or carb... so if you are making a proper off-road bike with a plate, you can either buy an XCW and add to it, or an EXC and strip off. The latter is probably cheaper and has the added benefit that the DMV can't argue with your plate.


Engine size:

I've also had or ridden extensively all the displacements- 400, 450, 530- so I thought that'd would be worth commenting on too. All share the same chassis, and the same 95mm bore. The only difference is stroke- from 55.5mm on the 400, to 72mm on the 530.

The 400 is a sweetheart- smooth, linear, stronger than a 250 with useable torque down low, but nowhere near the surge of the 530. This is a great trailbike, but not as good a do-anything bike because you'll want lower gearing on it, which means it's singing at highway speeds. Mine has 13/52 and that feels about right. Unless traction is really good, it's just as quick as the bigger bikes, but you rev more to get it.

It feels light and manageable, and the delivery is so smooth that you save energy and drama on the trail. I like to say this bike makes me feel 10 feet tall and bulletproof, because it's just not as scary as the 530.

The 450 is stronger than the 400, smoother than the 530. I've spent the least time on this one, but anything I say will sound repetitive- it's smooth, it's strong, and it's comfortable. The 450 is clearly revvier than the 530, so if you like to keep your bike singing, this would be my choice. There is not that much between this bike and the 530, honestly, and if I found a great deal on one but not the other, I wouldn't hesitate to take it.

As you would expect with the longest stroke, the 530 is the gruntiest and strongest of the bunch. I don't shift much on singletrack- 2nd and 3rd gear are good for just about all speeds between 5 and 40mph, which is 90% of where I ride. 14/50 means that 70mph is a reasonable cruise speed, while 1st remains low enough for even very technical terrain at high elevation.

If you hold the 530 open for a 10 count, in any gear in any terrain, you will count 8-9-10 faster than you counted 1-2-3. It's really strong. If I could only own one motorcycle, this would be it, and I'd have no regrets about it.

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Ek het 'n 525 en 2009 model 450 terselfde tyd besit en stem saam met sy gevolgtrekking i.v.m. RFS vs XC4 motor
XC4 is ook heelwat sterker. My 450xc4 in vinniger as my ou 525 en sidetrack se 525.
So ek kan net imagine hoe die 530 moet trek.
 

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Re: KTM 500 is it the Ultimate DS Bike
« Reply #42 on: July 02, 2011, 02:39:28 pm »
Wow Dirtwarp eks self nie veel van n ekspert nie ma jy weet defnetief waarva jy praat !! ;) Ek het self moeilikheid gehaad met daai crankseel op my 09 530.Enjin steel olie bydie verdomde ratkas,Ron by Roost die ding 3 keer vervang tot ek hom naderhand verkoop het. My 2010 530 niks moeilikheid nie,net 4maande terug my moer af geval deur n draad wat n mamparra oor n pad gespan het wat ek elke dag ry !! :dousing: My skouer gebreek en ander komplikasies well anyway ekt wou toe nou n 2012 500 koop maar eks bietjie bang vir EFI eers kyk hoeveel probleme nuwes gee.!O ja en hulle het weer silwer rims en ktm bring buitendien nie daai mooi six days in nie!! net in die 300 2t en 350 4t, donner alleen weet hoekom  :dousing: Toe ek die 2011 530 wou gaan haal toe vertel ktm bloem my die 2010`s is op spesial vir 68k ! WAT N BARGAIN.Dink nie  2011 was 88k werd vir n paar wit plastics,deurskynende tank en n bar pad nie. Ek let wel as nuwe fiets koud is of idle dat hy bietjie rook  ??? Lyk my bike wat te lank gestaan het vanaf invoer in laat 2009 tot nou dalk sulke probleme kan he of ?? wel ek weet nie ek sien die read wat jy ingesit get van advrider verwys ook daarna  :-\ :-\ so . thanks vir die insert nogal nice leesstof  O0
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Re: KTM 500 is it the Ultimate DS Bike
« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2011, 04:49:50 pm »
Lol nee.
Die 2009 het reeds die beter crank seel in.
Jou dealer moes die O-ring op die een olie pomp vervang het. As die o-ring nie mooi seel nie, pomp die olie pomp oile vanaf motor na ratkas.

In 2011 het hulle die O-ring en olie pomp ratte verbeter:




Sommige ouens het die issue gehad. Ek't met KTMSA mechanics gesels en hul het nog nooit daardie probleem op enige race bikes gehad nie.  ???

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Die parte om die hele setup te omskep na 2011 is omtrent R500
 

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Re: KTM 500 is it the Ultimate DS Bike
« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2011, 04:55:41 pm »
Die parte om die hele setup te omskep na 2011 is omtrent R500
Ek wou dit nou die dag doen, maar KTM proaction het nie daardie parte nie.. volgens die parte man, het hulle nog nooit nodig gehad om dit te bestel nie.

So dit was vir my genoeg om te besluit om myne te los soos dit is.

Die rook wat jy sien op koue fiets kan valve stem seels wees.
 

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Re: KTM 500 is it the Ultimate DS Bike
« Reply #45 on: July 02, 2011, 05:06:46 pm »
LIEWE BLIKSEM JY KEN JOU KTM`S.. ;) ;)  Wat doen die velve stem seels en kan hul gestel word ?
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« Reply #46 on: July 02, 2011, 05:16:36 pm »
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Re: KTM 500 is it the Ultimate DS Bike
« Reply #47 on: July 02, 2011, 05:24:47 pm »
On AdvRider there is a 200+ page thread on using the 525 as an adventure bike.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201026

This reply from a guy with a street legal 450:

RFS "adventure bike" post mortem.

Not a 525, but a 450XC with RFS motor.

Did a 2,000 mile loop last March on the 450XC. Just prior I had put in new stainless valves and OEM piston. 14x48 gearing. 400 additional miles since then. No oil cooler, no radiator fan.

Post mortem: Valves have not moved at all. Oil always look nice and clean at 600 mile intervals, frame oil screens never had any metal in them. Bike was flawless. Rode in the "weak" sixth gear for hours and hours and hours on slab/gravel/etc.

Bike seems well up to the task.

+1 the horror stories everyone will tell you is BS, there is no reason with proper maintenance that these bikes will not dual sport.
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Re: KTM 500 is it the Ultimate DS Bike
« Reply #48 on: July 02, 2011, 05:31:40 pm »
Lol nee ek lees maar net baie.

Die seels verhoed dat olie wat die cam lube, by die piston uitkom via die valves.
Op XR600's wear die seels uit binne 2000KM. Baie ouens los dit net so. (Dit rook wanneer bike koud is en hou op kort daarna)
Solank hy net nie rook wanneer 'n warm is nie  ;)

Valve stem seels moet vervang word deur die head af te haal.
As ek jy was, sou ek dit net so gelos het. Check maar net jou olie gereeld soos almal maar moet.

Wanneer die tyd is vir nuwe piston/ringe, dan vervang jy sommer die velve stem seels ook.
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Re: KTM 500 is it the Ultimate DS Bike
« Reply #49 on: July 02, 2011, 05:47:14 pm »
Nice link sidetrack.!


Dirtwarp dankie vir al die inligting en raad  :thumright: Lyk my die bike`s is nie een die selfde nie seker ma deesdae se massaproduksie  :ricky: Party rook ander nie ens.
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Re: KTM 500 is it the Ultimate DS Bike
« Reply #50 on: July 02, 2011, 06:06:18 pm »
very interesting artical, Thanks ST

Let's see how the 500 compares to both the Husky and the 530
 

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Re: KTM 500 is it the Ultimate DS Bike
« Reply #51 on: July 02, 2011, 07:21:29 pm »
The old 525 still is the most reliable of them all.  I know 2 farmers who ride them every day - and 40 000 km later they are still going strong.  The new ones are stronger and faster and lighter but they do not last as long.  That is why I have not taken the offers I have had on my 525.   :thumleft:

The 2012 bikes are good looking and it is always tempting to have the latest one.  But I think my 525 will stay another year....
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Re: KTM 500 is it the Ultimate DS Bike
« Reply #52 on: July 02, 2011, 07:41:11 pm »
Just a few pics i like !
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Re: KTM 500 is it the Ultimate DS Bike
« Reply #53 on: July 02, 2011, 10:37:01 pm »
My scoot the evening before our Magoebas kloof weekend  :ricky:
 

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Re: KTM 500 is it the Ultimate DS Bike
« Reply #54 on: July 03, 2011, 11:22:26 am »
VERY NICE.Can see yoy look after your`e bikes aswell  :thumleft:
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Re: KTM 500 is it the Ultimate DS Bike
« Reply #55 on: July 03, 2011, 04:42:41 pm »
Anybody know what they will go for in ZAR and when they'll be available. Might just claim a complete mid-life crisis on one of these! :biggrin:
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« Reply #56 on: July 03, 2011, 06:13:22 pm »
Dirtwarp jy`t PM !!!!
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« Reply #57 on: July 03, 2011, 10:22:47 pm »
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« Reply #58 on: July 03, 2011, 10:35:48 pm »
DW  :thumleft:
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Re: KTM 500 is it the Ultimate DS Bike
« Reply #59 on: July 04, 2011, 08:37:14 am »
They are talking about 1.5 L oil capacity, that would be great close to a DRZ  :thumleft:
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