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Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
« Reply #80 on: December 14, 2018, 07:29:31 am »
Yes I think you also need to acknowledge that rally riders are essentially specialists - yes some may compete in other forms to bring home the bacon but you cannot expect a trials guy who has moved into extreme enduro to make a good rally racer. WhileI I like your patriotism Xpat I think your comparison is mis-founded - as I explained it is about access and geopolitics (more so than language and Slavic/Saffer temperament  >:D).

Regarding Birch, Curtis Riaan etc - these guys were from an enduro (and yes hard enduro) background. They were also older, had family and businesses to support etc. Rally was and is not their livelihood. I think for them the finishers medal and personal achievement to compete and complete a Dakar to their best was their main ambition, rather than top finish glory. In my eyes they are all winners.  :thumleft:
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Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
« Reply #81 on: December 14, 2018, 07:36:20 am »
Shark: Okay then.

Anyway, along the line of the discussion
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« Reply #82 on: December 14, 2018, 07:40:18 am »
Thanks gents some great insights once again

My favorite  quote so far is comparing Darryl and Chris to Ross and Kenny is like comparing an m5 to a hilux”

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« Reply #83 on: December 14, 2018, 07:40:54 am »
Oh believe me, there is zero patriotism here - unlike you (I assume you were born here) I'm Saffer by choice. As I've said I'm half/half bred, and that fosters fundamental indifference to things like national belonging. I feel like Slovak in Czechia and vice versa - hence generally feel out of place anywhere, and therefore feel best in RSA where I at least have a good reason to be out of place   :biggrin:

If I would be patriotic I wouldn't voluntarily and happily reside in Africa, where most of my original compatriots think cannibals roam freely.

I use Slovakia just as an example because I'm familiar with it and it seems similar to SA in terms of financial and rally access hurdles (actually rallies are way more accessible to SA people than to Slovaks). And I think we are converging slowly - unless somebody in SA is willing to commit to Dakar for a long run with all the focus and sacrifices it requires, we are very unlikely to see Saffer in Top 10 any time soon.

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Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
« Reply #84 on: December 14, 2018, 07:55:18 am »
Oh believe me, there is zero patriotism here - unlike you (I assume you were born here) I'm Saffer by choice. As I've said I'm half/half bred, and that fosters fundamental indifference to things like national belonging. I feel like Slovak in Czechia and vice versa - hence generally feel out of place anywhere, and therefore feel best in RSA where I at least have a good reason to be out of place   :biggrin:

If I would be patriotic I wouldn't voluntarily and happily reside in Africa, where most of my original compatriots think cannibals roam freely.

I use Slovakia just as an example because I'm familiar with it and it seems similar to SA in terms of financial and rally access hurdles (actually rallies are way more accessible to SA people than to Slovaks). And I think we are converging slowly - unless somebody in SA is willing to commit to Dakar for a long run with all the focus and sacrifices it requires, we are very unlikely to see Saffer in Top 10 any time soon.
Xpat those who emigrated will come gunning for you soon  :peepwall: Anyway we had Alfie Cox, what a legend. Lets hope there is another SA top ten racer soon.
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« Reply #86 on: December 14, 2018, 09:10:36 am »
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Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
« Reply #87 on: December 14, 2018, 09:26:06 am »
Oh believe me, there is zero patriotism here - unlike you (I assume you were born here) I'm Saffer by choice. As I've said I'm half/half bred, and that fosters fundamental indifference to things like national belonging. I feel like Slovak in Czechia and vice versa - hence generally feel out of place anywhere, and therefore feel best in RSA where I at least have a good reason to be out of place   :biggrin:

If I would be patriotic I wouldn't voluntarily and happily reside in Africa, where most of my original compatriots think cannibals roam freely.

I use Slovakia just as an example because I'm familiar with it and it seems similar to SA in terms of financial and rally access hurdles (actually rallies are way more accessible to SA people than to Slovaks). And I think we are converging slowly - unless somebody in SA is willing to commit to Dakar for a long run with all the focus and sacrifices it requires, we are very unlikely to see Saffer in Top 10 any time soon.
Xpat those who emigrated will come gunning for you soon  :peepwall: Anyway we had Alfie Cox, what a legend. Lets hope there is another SA top ten racer soon.

Lets also not forget that many races (Dakar, Roof etc) have changed considerably over the years and some are very different now to what they were (not to take anything away from Alfie's and others considerable achievements).
 
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« Reply #88 on: December 14, 2018, 01:02:18 pm »
In terms of Saffers and Dakar. To get good you need access to the bikes and the rallies and this cost money. Whn you are paying in Rands we are talking huge money.

When we are paying in Euro's (admittedly the Czechss's use their own currency but they are in the EU and as such used Euro style prices) everything is a lot easier to finance. Sponsors like to sponsor something marketable. Often this means local. It is much easier for a company to sponsor a few 100 000 thousand euro's the price of half a house to support a local star than it is to sponsor a couple of million the price of a fancy house to fund a Dakar dream.

Giniel got in while our currency had more value and he had strong backers.

The only hope is for a local boy to attract the eyes of a KTM spend a few years as a water carrier and then hit the big time. I suspect these guys are having to much fun racing Erzberg and local races to put all their eggs in one risky basket. Even local starts seem to race Dakar as a once off tick it off the bucket list rather than go back year after year to try again and master the skills.

Today Rally racing is a profession with the limits to minimise the risk of injury that implies. Alfie raced in a freer time and did not have to give up his local dreams to be able to race Dakar.
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Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
« Reply #89 on: December 14, 2018, 01:04:34 pm »
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My two cents worth. Having done a few of the SA Rallies and had some experience with navigation it’s all good nd well to be fast but to navigate whilst being fast is hugely difficult.

And I think without the experience and factory backing with the cash that goes with it, get exposed to other rally’s. It will be a push for both Ross and Kenny to make top 25.

Hey I would love them to prove me wrong but a top 10 in the first outing at Dakar is something unfortunately only overseas based riders are capable of at the moment with our exchange rates.
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Re: DAKAR 2019 !!!
« Reply #90 on: December 14, 2018, 02:28:58 pm »
If either of our two guys, as Max said, make the top 30, they will be living the dream. Both? Never.

To do well in rally, all things being equal, one needs huge rally exposure, tons of cash and experienced support. On Top of that, a mighty big dose of luck too.


A top 10 even on one stage of the rally, let alone overall is God like. I don't even know our guys but I'd still give them 0% chance.

Top 20, monumental! If a first timer, this is where the Pro teams harvest from. Our 2? Still nope.

Top 30. They won't be buying beer anytime soon. Outstanding! Incredibly unlikely.



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« Reply #91 on: December 14, 2018, 04:09:23 pm »
"O ye, of little faith"  ;) ... our boytjies are going to gooi mielies, I've got one of them pegged for a top 10 and one for a top 15. They are both very fast and smooth riders, their only limitation is their lack of navigational skills at speed but they have the outright speed to follow the good navigators (like Alfie did)  :thumleft:

I'm just looking forward to the day our local superstar David Ellis makes it to the Dakar start line... I've got him pegged as the next big thing from SA, he just need to finish his doctorate first :thumleft:
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« Reply #92 on: December 14, 2018, 04:19:16 pm »
Anyway M5's don't work too well in sand. I'll take the hilux :deal:

Super excited to be following a few saffas regardless!

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« Reply #93 on: December 14, 2018, 04:53:18 pm »


Anyway, along the line of the discussion

Lets see how much of a factor the Dakar experience is. Im hoping they do really well. Ross especially.
 

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« Reply #94 on: December 14, 2018, 04:56:02 pm »

A top 10 even on one stage of the rally, let alone overall is God like. I don't even know our guys but I'd still give them 0% chance.


Riaan V Niekerk got a stage 9th didn't he?  Or was it 14th? 
But he was always one for the fast races, like Ross and Kenny G.
 

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« Reply #96 on: December 14, 2018, 05:10:34 pm »
And what about Riaan coming 13th in 2013 on Debut?
And 12th in 2014? 

Ross is quicker than Riaan was... IMHO.  Still claim him as ours even though he is from Botswana. 2 time SA offroad champ in the 450 class, 7 times Desert 1000.
Dont confuse guys riding SA's fledgling rally scene with SA's offroad champions.

 

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« Reply #97 on: December 14, 2018, 06:38:20 pm »
Anyway M5's don't work too well in sand. I'll take the hilux :deal:

Super excited to be following a few saffas regardless!
Agree fully to support them and hope for the best. With some luck and a strong mentality both of them can do really well. If they can get through to the rest day in top 20 - who knows what can happen in week 2.

A top 10 will be such a nice result and may attrack sponsors or a factory ride in the future.

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« Reply #98 on: December 14, 2018, 07:18:29 pm »
Any news on the Dakar being screened by SuperSport?
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« Reply #99 on: December 14, 2018, 07:38:11 pm »
And what about Riaan coming 13th in 2013 on Debut?
And 12th in 2014? 

Ross is quicker than Riaan was... IMHO.  Still claim him as ours even though he is from Botswana. 2 time SA offroad champ in the 450 class, 7 times Desert 1000.
Dont confuse guys riding SA's fledgling rally scene with SA's offroad champions.

I really do hope that I get to eat my words.
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