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Re: Skieting toll booths
« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2019, 01:45:59 pm »
This happened back in 2007

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Re: Skieting toll booths
« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2019, 01:47:48 pm »
This happened back in 2007

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Ek dink die image het Photobucket geskiet!  Ek sien dit ook nie.
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Re: Skieting toll booths
« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2019, 02:01:34 pm »
Section 120 of the Firearms Act specifically deals with the discharge of a firearm. The Act stipulates that, in terms of Section 120(3)(b), it is an offence to discharge a firearm, an antique firearm or an airgun in a “manner likely to injure or endanger the safety or property of any person or with reckless disregard for the safety or property of any person” and the Act further elaborates in Section 120(7) by providing that it is an offence to do so “in a built-up area or any public place, without good reason to do so.” The Act is silent in its definition of what qualifies as “good reason.”

Moet eerder nie 'n toll booth skiet nie. SAPS smaak dit nie en gaan jou in die trok gooi.

Skiet eerder blikke en waatlemoene op die plaas.

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Re: Skieting toll booths
« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2019, 02:22:30 pm »
Section 120 of the Firearms Act specifically deals with the discharge of a firearm. The Act stipulates that, in terms of Section 120(3)(b), it is an offence to discharge a firearm, an antique firearm or an airgun in a “manner likely to injure or endanger the safety or property of any person or with reckless disregard for the safety or property of any person” and the Act further elaborates in Section 120(7) by providing that it is an offence to do so “in a built-up area or any public place, without good reason to do so.” The Act is silent in its definition of what qualifies as “good reason.”

Moet eerder nie 'n toll booth skiet nie. SAPS smaak dit nie en gaan jou in die trok gooi.

Skiet eerder blikke en waatlemoene op die plaas.

Waarheen sal die trok oppad wees?   :peepwall: :lol8:
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Re: Skieting toll booths
« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2019, 02:28:22 pm »
Section 120 of the Firearms Act specifically deals with the discharge of a firearm. The Act stipulates that, in terms of Section 120(3)(b), it is an offence to discharge a firearm, an antique firearm or an airgun in a “manner likely to injure or endanger the safety or property of any person or with reckless disregard for the safety or property of any person” and the Act further elaborates in Section 120(7) by providing that it is an offence to do so “in a built-up area or any public place, without good reason to do so.” The Act is silent in its definition of what qualifies as “good reason.”

Moet eerder nie 'n toll booth skiet nie. SAPS smaak dit nie en gaan jou in die trok gooi.

Skiet eerder blikke en waatlemoene op die plaas.

Waarheen sal die trok oppad wees?   :peepwall: :lol8:

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Re: Skieting toll booths
« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2019, 02:34:25 pm »
Indien daar genoeg spasie is, sal ek verby die "boom" ry. Indien nie, betaal ek maar.

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Re: Skieting toll booths
« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2019, 02:46:22 pm »
Just a note to the guys who argue that it is not fair to be charged the same as a normal passenger vehicle - roads are designed to fail after a determined number of axle-loads and it boils down to contact patch pressure. I have not done the calculations, but I wouldn't be surprised if the heavier bikes did similar or even more damage than cars, given the much smaller contact patch.

That being said, both motor cars and bikes do negligent damage to the road, especially when compared to slightly overloaded trucks.

Agree, they should charge GS riders DOUBLE us normal bikes.....  ;) :lol8:
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Re: Skieting toll booths
« Reply #47 on: March 11, 2019, 02:57:31 pm »
Just a note to the guys who argue that it is not fair to be charged the same as a normal passenger vehicle - roads are designed to fail after a determined number of axle-loads and it boils down to contact patch pressure. I have not done the calculations, but I wouldn't be surprised if the heavier bikes did similar or even more damage than cars, given the much smaller contact patch.

That being said, both motor cars and bikes do negligent damage to the road, especially when compared to slightly overloaded trucks.

Agree, they should charge GS riders DOUBLE us normal bikes.....  ;) :lol8:

In fact if they just charge all bikes larger than 650cc class the same toll as cars then the rest of us can be toll free.  :peepwall:
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Re: Skieting toll booths
« Reply #48 on: March 11, 2019, 02:58:47 pm »
Its a rite of passage, like puffing your first ziggie at school behind the bike shed... you should try it at least ONCE in your life.... :lol8:
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Re: Skieting toll booths
« Reply #49 on: March 11, 2019, 09:00:57 pm »
This happened back in 2007


I think I would have just replied

Dear Mr VanWyk

I'm sorry to hear that just before 08h30 that someone on a motorcycle like or similar to mine with a clone of my numberplate somehow managed to skip your TollGate, that bastard has been getting speeding fines and driving under e toll gantries for quite a while now and he's really getting me into a lot of trouble, I say he's riding a bile like or similar to mine but my bike is a BMW and the cylinders stick out the side making the bike so wide that no BMW rider would ever consider trying to squeeze between the boom  and what ever structure is next to it but I really do hope you find this reprobate and give him all hell.

Thank you for your understanding

XXXXX
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Re: Skieting toll booths
« Reply #50 on: March 12, 2019, 12:56:50 am »
Ek betaal maar die tolhekke, dit is maar net die regte ding om te doen.
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Re: Skieting toll booths
« Reply #51 on: March 12, 2019, 11:21:03 am »
Ek betaal maar die tolhekke, dit is maar net die regte ding om te doen.

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Re: Skieting toll booths
« Reply #52 on: March 12, 2019, 11:23:23 am »
Ek betaal maar die tolhekke, dit is maar net die regte ding om te doen.
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Re: Skieting toll booths
« Reply #53 on: March 12, 2019, 01:44:14 pm »
Just read an article on tyre contact patch and the whole motorcycle being smaller than a car argument for not paying tollfees goes out the window. Although a motorbike is much lighter than a vehcile the total contact patch of a motorbike is smaller, working out the point pressure on the road is in most +1000cc bikes higher then the avarage vehicle.  :eek7:
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Re: Skieting toll booths
« Reply #54 on: March 12, 2019, 02:26:52 pm »
Just read an article on tyre contact patch and the whole motorcycle being smaller than a car argument for not paying tollfees goes out the window. Although a motorbike is much lighter than a vehcile the total contact patch of a motorbike is smaller, working out the point pressure on the road is in most +1000cc bikes higher then the avarage vehicle.  :eek7:

But then with a smaller contact patch you do damage to a smaller portion of the road....   ???

The studies I seen refer to axle load. They don't take into account if the truck has only two or four tyres on said axle.
 

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Re: Skieting toll booths
« Reply #55 on: March 12, 2019, 02:34:42 pm »
Just read an article on tyre contact patch and the whole motorcycle being smaller than a car argument for not paying tollfees goes out the window. Although a motorbike is much lighter than a vehcile the total contact patch of a motorbike is smaller, working out the point pressure on the road is in most +1000cc bikes higher then the avarage vehicle.  :eek7:

But then with a smaller contact patch you do damage to a smaller portion of the road....   ???

The studies I seen refer to axle load. They don't take into account if the truck has only two or four tyres on said axle.
Axle loads are used to simplify the calculations for road designers. The actual damage is done by pressure exerted on the pavement - the materials do not ask questions about number or layout of wheels, it only feels the pressure and reacts accordingly.

Yes, smaller area of the road, but if one crack forms, water can get past the seal into the layer works and then deterioration is accelerated. Still, as mentioned previously - the damage caused by light traffic is negligible. The only reason I brought this up initially was to say that bikes shouldn't necessarily be paying less than small vehicles. People should own up and admit that it is for personal gain that they do not pay. 
 

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Re: Skieting toll booths
« Reply #56 on: March 12, 2019, 05:08:48 pm »
As far as I know I have never cracked a road, do I still have to pay?
 

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Re: Skieting toll booths
« Reply #57 on: March 12, 2019, 05:20:04 pm »
ITS ABOUT TIME SOMEONE TOLD THE ROAD ENGINEERS TO UP THEIR GAME , AND BUILD MORE "PRESSURE RESISTANT" ROADS ......................................
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Re: Skieting toll booths
« Reply #58 on: March 12, 2019, 07:35:42 pm »
ITS ABOUT TIME SOMEONE TOLD THE ROAD ENGINEERS TO UP THEIR GAME , AND BUILD MORE "PRESSURE RESISTANT" ROADS ......................................

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Re: Skieting toll booths
« Reply #59 on: March 12, 2019, 10:35:27 pm »
Please tell me if I am barking up the wrong tree with my thoughts here.

From looking at the roads in pretoria and to the north of pretoria I think the most damage in residential areas comes from larger heavier vehicles accelerating and braking at robots and stop streets. You can see how the tar has been moved at the robots, coming to a stop at the lights it looks as though the tar is pushed forward by the braking, and leaving the lights like the tar has been pulled back by the accelerating vehicles.

On open roads the most damage is done while the roads are wet and water is pushed into the road surface, it forms cracks and water gets pushed through them under the tar forming cavities under the road surface. The tar then gets broken up and you end up with potholes. Just my very basic "understanding" of how potholes are formed.

While the pressure on the road surface from bikes riding over it is higher I would think the motorcycle wheels with their smaller contact patch would displace water quite a bit more and would push less water into the road surface than a wider car tyre or a very wide truck tyre? And because of the low weight they would push and pull the tar a lot less than cars and trucks at stop streets and traffic lights?
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