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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #60 on: September 27, 2019, 03:15:55 pm »
I agree with you Boerbok, I came from a 1200 LC and wanted a lighter bike with less things which could go wrong (I also really liked the DCT bit).

 

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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #61 on: September 27, 2019, 03:17:45 pm »
Speaking as a happy AT owner...

I bought it precisely because it did not have all the electronic gadgets, with their related cost and complexity.

Of all the bells and whistles on the new models, the only feature I wish I had is tubeless tyres.

So no ABS, no traction control? , no electronic dashboard.. no sensors, no fuel injection?.. what electronics did'nt yours come with?  :ricky: Do you have the old AT? the 750?

Definitely ABS - I have standards you know... 😛

Traction control as implemented on my 2017 is mostly a waste of money IMO. I switch if off completely on dirt.

My gripe is not with technology. It is not having the option to opt out of the expense and complexity that manufacturers bundle into a standard package.

The 2016/2017 AT was refreshingly basic in that regard. I liked it.

I think you will find that the 2016/2017 AT was actually full of fairly complicated electronics, its just not in your face like having a touch screen dashboard.

I hear what you are saying though, when I went from the Transalp 560 to the 700 I did'nt even want fuel injection because i wanted to be able to fix a carb if need be.

Its the way of the future and even for me it is going to take a mind shift because im used to fixing bikes myself and not paying R20k for a new electronic cluster
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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #62 on: September 27, 2019, 03:41:30 pm »
Question for Losper:??If you were to upgrade would you buy the DCT this time around?
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Hi Bruce, you are putting me on the spot here :biggrin: simply because I cannot make up my mind.
I come from an enduro background so I like to be in total control, having said that, the DCT is really an awesome piece of machinery/technology.
The DCT is by far the better option in the technical stuff and that is what we like to ride but for some unexplained reason I always find myself loving the manual. I think it is a personal thing.
When we did the Quest last year every body were on DCT's and everybody loved and enjoyed it and I honestly feel it is the way of the future.
We do serious technical riding and I can feel the extra 10kg's of the DCT in certain situations but,...............

To answer your question, as I am sitting here right now, I do prefer the manual (but by tomorrow I will probably feel better :ricky:

In our riding group there are about 10 AT's and 80% of them are DCT's and all of those riders swear they will never go back to manual (I think they do see the light :biggrin:)

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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #63 on: September 30, 2019, 10:12:18 am »
Must say, if I was to buy an AT again now, I would get the DCT.
Went on a few rides with guys on the DCT and it just made more sense
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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #64 on: October 01, 2019, 09:47:14 am »
Must say, if I was to buy an AT again now, I would get the DCT.
Went on a few rides with guys on the DCT and it just made more sense

I saw an interesting video where the guy actually explained that the DCT gets tricky in technical terrain due to no clutch control.

Let me find it.  Interesting video
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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #65 on: October 01, 2019, 09:50:08 am »
Must say, if I was to buy an AT again now, I would get the DCT.
Went on a few rides with guys on the DCT and it just made more sense

I saw an interesting video where the guy actually explained that the DCT gets tricky in technical terrain due to no clutch control.

Let me find it.  Interesting video

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Hope this link works.

Otherwise google 'Honda DCT vs Rekluse Auto Clutch'

It's on the Mototrek youtube channel
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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #66 on: October 02, 2019, 09:29:55 pm »
Did anyone mention the word "Awesome!"...  :drif:
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Looks very much like the Fish River canyon...
 

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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #67 on: October 02, 2019, 10:35:25 pm »
@XRRX , yip it is the Fish River Canyon.
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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #68 on: October 03, 2019, 07:14:32 am »
@XRRX , yip it is the Fish River Canyon.
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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #69 on: October 03, 2019, 08:28:35 am »
Ons is van plan om die 18. Okt daar by Hobas te kamp, ry jy saam?
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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #70 on: October 14, 2019, 09:11:33 am »
Maybe I missed it, but does anyone know if there has been any more info on price and when it will be available in ZA?
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« Reply #71 on: October 14, 2019, 09:59:22 am »
Must say, if I was to buy an AT again now, I would get the DCT.
Went on a few rides with guys on the DCT and it just made more sense

I saw an interesting video where the guy actually explained that the DCT gets tricky in technical terrain due to no clutch control.

Let me find it.  Interesting video

Youtube blocked at work.



Hope this link works.

Otherwise google 'Honda DCT vs Rekluse Auto Clutch'

It's on the Mototrek youtube channel

What this guy fails to tell us is the DCT is the only seamless gearbox currently available to the public. Other than a CVT drive. I think after listening to the people that have ridden the DCT if I upgrade I will go DCT. Simply because it is apparantly so easy to ride.
 

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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #72 on: October 14, 2019, 10:05:27 am »
Must say, if I was to buy an AT again now, I would get the DCT.
Went on a few rides with guys on the DCT and it just made more sense

I saw an interesting video where the guy actually explained that the DCT gets tricky in technical terrain due to no clutch control.

Let me find it.  Interesting video

Youtube blocked at work.



Hope this link works.

Otherwise google 'Honda DCT vs Rekluse Auto Clutch'

It's on the Mototrek youtube channel

What this guy fails to tell us is the DCT is the only seamless gearbox currently available to the public. Other than a CVT drive. I think after listening to the people that have ridden the DCT if I upgrade I will go DCT. Simply because it is apparantly so easy to ride.

I have a slight suspicion that I linked the wrong video  ::)

Will double check at home

EDIT: Did link the correct video sorry.  Just watched the video a while back.  I forgot it was a auto clutch comparison and not clutch vs dct.

That being said the original argument remains the same.  DCT is not too novice friendly when it comes to technical terrain
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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #73 on: October 14, 2019, 01:29:13 pm »
Wow, that was a bit long-winded but some good info there.

I've got a rekluse fitted to my 450 and it has pros and cons.

Contrary to what he says, I use the auto clutch more in tech than the clutch and use the clutch when riding normally. In tech, it tames the power and I can be in almost any gear no matter how slow I am going. Rock-climbing is way easier when you don't have to play with a clutch all day. I can approach fast, slide to a near crawl and just open the throttle. The bike won't take off like a lunatic but will chug over the rocks like a tractor. Makes slow tech easy. At speed, the rekluse is just like any other bike, you use the clutch. You can also pull off without using the clutch but that means nothing, that's easy anyway.

Disadvantages: - You can't push or pull start the bike. No engine braking is not such a biggee going up a hill but it's nice to have it when going down.

How does the DCT compare with the above disadvantages? Does it have workarounds?
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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #74 on: October 14, 2019, 05:08:07 pm »
Speaking as a happy AT owner...

I bought it precisely because it did not have all the electronic gadgets, with their related cost and complexity.

Of all the bells and whistles on the new models, the only feature I wish I had is tubeless tyres.

Agree 100 % with you
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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #75 on: October 14, 2019, 05:23:26 pm »
Wow, that was a bit long-winded but some good info there.

I've got a rekluse fitted to my 450 and it has pros and cons.

Contrary to what he says, I use the auto clutch more in tech than the clutch and use the clutch when riding normally. In tech, it tames the power and I can be in almost any gear no matter how slow I am going. Rock-climbing is way easier when you don't have to play with a clutch all day. I can approach fast, slide to a near crawl and just open the throttle. The bike won't take off like a lunatic but will chug over the rocks like a tractor. Makes slow tech easy. At speed, the rekluse is just like any other bike, you use the clutch. You can also pull off without using the clutch but that means nothing, that's easy anyway.

Disadvantages: - You can't push or pull start the bike. No engine braking is not such a biggee going up a hill but it's nice to have it when going down.

How does the DCT compare with the above disadvantages? Does it have workarounds?

DCT has great engine braking and you can choose how much it should have too.

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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #76 on: October 14, 2019, 05:52:30 pm »
Must say, if I was to buy an AT again now, I would get the DCT.
Went on a few rides with guys on the DCT and it just made more sense

I saw an interesting video where the guy actually explained that the DCT gets tricky in technical terrain due to no clutch control.

Let me find it.  Interesting video

Youtube blocked at work.



Hope this link works.

Otherwise google 'Honda DCT vs Rekluse Auto Clutch'

It's on the Mototrek youtube channel

What this guy fails to tell us is the DCT is the only seamless gearbox currently available to the public. Other than a CVT drive. I think after listening to the people that have ridden the DCT if I upgrade I will go DCT. Simply because it is apparantly so easy to ride.

I have a slight suspicion that I linked the wrong video  ::)

Will double check at home

EDIT: Did link the correct video sorry.  Just watched the video a while back.  I forgot it was a auto clutch comparison and not clutch vs dct.

That being said the original argument remains the same.  DCT is not too novice friendly when it comes to technical terrain

I disagree with this.  It is where the DCT really comes into itís right.
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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #77 on: October 14, 2019, 06:28:43 pm »
Ja, I would agree, and I didn't get his whisky throttle thing either. It's just as easy to let the throttle slide home as it is to grab a clutch. Sure, it might surge forward if you hit an unexpected bump or something but you've got the same thing with all bikes with a powerful motor.

 And on that terrain, with those tyres, that bike isn't going anywhere if you grab a handfull.

Maybe you can't whisky throttle a BM, anyway ...................  :biggrin:
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Re: CRF1100 Africa Twin - Welcome back Honda!
« Reply #78 on: October 14, 2019, 08:14:57 pm »
The fuckstick in that video is trying to sell that system.

Clearly he is some riding God and therefore he will find a use for a clutch.

For us mortals the DCT is amazing. I've had a couple of bikes. BMWs included. I've never had a bike as good and easy to ride as my AT DCT.
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« Reply #79 on: October 21, 2019, 01:38:50 pm »
the DCT is the only seamless gearbox currently available to the public

Eh no, there's no seamless 'boxes commercially available at all, but perhaps you mean DCT-box.
Seamless boxes are currently being experimented with in MotoGP, and if anything they're super finicky and need very regular maintenace..... hardly promising for us public  ;)
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