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Offline WrightJnr

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Re: Twin piston vs Triple piston..
« Reply #40 on: August 16, 2018, 08:45:55 am »
Iíve owned the 800 Triple. Also the KTM Adv and now a GSA.

The triple is still my favorite engine. But the chassis and local support for the brand let me down. KTM had best chassis and electronics and a great engine when ridden with enthusiasm. BMW just works, I really do love it but I find it soooooo boring.
Ja suppose you are right. If you want to conquer the world then the BMW, if you want to get there first at all costs then the KTM, if you want to arrive with a smile on your face then the Triumph.

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Re: Twin piston vs Triple piston..
« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2018, 10:33:26 am »
Iíve owned the 800 Triple. Also the KTM Adv and now a GSA.

The triple is still my favorite engine. But the chassis and local support for the brand let me down. KTM had best chassis and electronics and a great engine when ridden with enthusiasm. BMW just works, I really do love it but I find it soooooo boring.
Ja suppose you are right. If you want to conquer the world then the BMW, if you want to get there first at all costs then the KTM, if you want to arrive with a smile on your face then the Triumph.

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Twin piston vs Triple piston..
« Reply #42 on: August 16, 2018, 10:57:32 am »
Frans instede van aanhoudelik stront praat oor KTMs, vertel ons eerder waar en op watse bikes jy al was?


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Re: Twin piston vs Triple piston..
« Reply #43 on: August 16, 2018, 11:04:09 am »
Frans instede van aanhoudelik stront praat oor KTMs, vertel ons eerder waar en op watse bikes jy al was?


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Dis nie stront nie! Kyk hoe hartseer is jou boet! 2000km 4 keer by die mechanic! Dis sommer k@k..

As ek weer in daardie geweste kom moet ons gaan vir n spin en n bier! Onthou net ek ry nie so goed soos julle. Ek kan wel goed bier drink! :thumleft:
 

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Re: Twin piston vs Triple piston..
« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2018, 11:53:56 am »
So een kak mechanic en die hele handelsmerk is onbetroubaar? Ek sou op my vingers kon tel hoeveel keer my 4 ktms gebreek het al het ek nie vingers gehad nie
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Re: Twin piston vs Triple piston..
« Reply #45 on: August 16, 2018, 12:27:02 pm »
So een kak mechanic en die hele handelsmerk is onbetroubaar? Ek sou op my vingers kon tel hoeveel keer my 4 ktms gebreek het al het ek nie vingers gehad nie

Dis miskien waar, maar dit gebeur nogal gereeld! Social media is blixem!

My upgrade is naby en daars geen ander fiets wat ek soek nie,  ek wil net seker maak dat ek backup gaan kry! Anders moet ekmaar settle vir 2de Beste!..
 

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Re: Twin piston vs Triple piston..
« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2018, 01:15:24 pm »
We started at engine configuration, now we are at brand bashing.
 

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Re: Twin piston vs Triple piston..
« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2018, 01:20:54 pm »
Gonna throw a little spanner in the works here, Single vs Twin vs Trip vs 4 cylinder,, the reason for the diff's in power delivery between engines works like this, on a single (4t) you get one power surge every two rotations of the crank, a twin two power strokes, trip 3 etc, what happens on a single is that the tyre/ wheel has more time between power strokes to let the tyre go back to it's original form thus achieving a very high rate of grip with the road surface, a twin has two power strokes per two revolutions which allows 50% less return to a "round" state, a trip and a four cylinder more so, now we go to systems like V motors which generally on adventure type motors have a 270 degree firing rotation  which basically works like bang..bang.......................bang bang....................bang bang....... this brings the power delivery closer to that of a single hence really good grippy power delivery, the 800BM for instance has a 360 Deg crank which works as bang......bang..................... bang.......bang.... which is not quite as agreeable as a v or a paralell twin with a 270 Degree firing order or a Trip which is bang...bang...bang.............bang..bang...bang........ and allows a lot less reformation of the tyre, four cylinders have various firing orders cross plane, big bang, screamers etc but they generally ride on tar where grip is plentiful so what is the best all round for an adventure mix?  either 270 Degree off set crank or a V,twin ,,,,, Yamaha Super tenere 270 degree, 1000 Africa twin 270 degree   or KTM V's, just my 5 cents worth.

Yes thanks for reminding us @Bill the Bong !

This is a very informative post by @Offroadrider . Explains it well! :thumleft:
 

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Re: Twin piston vs Triple piston..
« Reply #48 on: August 16, 2018, 03:55:55 pm »
We started at engine configuration, now we are at brand bashing.

It's BMW's fault, with all their recalls. Gives the entire biking industry a bad name.
 

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Re: Twin piston vs Triple piston..
« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2018, 04:52:35 pm »
We started at engine configuration, now we are at brand bashing.

It's BMW's fault, with all their recalls. Gives the entire biking industry a bad name.
Another discussion ruined by the racist, fundementalist, brand bashing trolls.

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Re: Twin piston vs Triple piston..
« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2018, 08:26:30 pm »
Only if you call any bike other than a Yamaha a brand!
 

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Re: Twin piston vs Triple piston..
« Reply #51 on: August 16, 2018, 09:07:52 pm »
We started at engine configuration, now we are at brand bashing.

It's BMW's fault, with all their recalls. Gives the entire biking industry a bad name.
Another discussion ruined by the racist, fundementalist, brand bashing trolls.

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Re: Twin piston vs Triple piston..
« Reply #52 on: August 19, 2018, 07:39:12 am »
Well I chose and own a XCX Truimph  800 for a number of reasons.     The three cylinders love to rev and the bike will scream to 10000 revs no problem and with an aftermarket can sounds very awesome, like a superbike.    The XCX also has a full electronic package of on road, off road and sport traction control, ABS, and ride by wire throttle settings which work a treat as well as adjustable WP suspension (aka KTM) and comes with a lot of standard kit such as cruise control, information display (eg temp,  distance to empty, etc), centre stand, 2 charge points, bash plates, crash bars, etc, etc.    So the standard bike comes with just about everything you need.    I have only added heated grips and a screen extension (the standard screen is not that great for high speed work)

After 28 0000km in 2.5 years  I can report no problems except with the starter solenoid which needed to be replaced after sitting in water (drain hole blocked) and I am still on the original set of chains and sprockets.  (cleaned and waxed every 500km).    Tires such as Eo7's tend to last about 11000km with hard use  and I have ridden her all over SA and in the Tankwa, etc.  The quality of all parts is top notch and which you learn to appreciate,  for instance stainless steal spokes, non scratch coatings on frame and crashbars, etc, etc.   

Dissadvantages: 
- The Triumph does need a lower first gear,  but only for very slow work, like pushing up a curb from stand still ( fixed in the latest model), but I have never found myself in need of more Torque.  She will pull out in any gear if you find yourself in a technical bit in the wrong gear and the power delivery is very smooth.     
- The default throttle setting is very stiff and slow and tiring on long bits, but if you put it in sport this is sorted and helped with cruise control. 
-  Fuel consumption:   Keep the revs down and ride below 120 kph and she is very easy on fuel.  Ride her like you stole her, rev the hell out of it (which she loves) and the bike turns into a thirsty bitch and will chop through an 18 liter tank very quickly. 

The best thing about this bike is that you can play the gears,   which allows for more rapid progress as you can change down to keep the revs up, which she is happy with,  and immediate acceleration is always waiting for you.  So instead of using torque to push you forward,  you can have all the horsepower immediately on tap....best way to explain it is, drop a gear and disappear.     This is made even more fun with a super smooth gearbox.
@Oilspil please don't get me wrong here, the 800xc is a fantastic bike that you can do almost anything on and I would love to own one, I was only pointing out the diff's in motor configuration, no other mid sized bike can run like a triple when on the cable and it's as smooth as a 20 year old's arse.
What do I really think about Triumph Tigers? Well she will be in my garage next to my Tenere during the week.
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Re: Twin piston vs Triple piston..
« Reply #53 on: August 19, 2018, 08:18:56 am »
Daai triumph is darem net mooi!
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Re: Twin piston vs Triple piston..
« Reply #54 on: August 19, 2018, 10:31:06 am »
Well I chose and own a XCX Truimph  800 for a number of reasons.     The three cylinders love to rev and the bike will scream to 10000 revs no problem and with an aftermarket can sounds very awesome, like a superbike.    The XCX also has a full electronic package of on road, off road and sport traction control, ABS, and ride by wire throttle settings which work a treat as well as adjustable WP suspension (aka KTM) and comes with a lot of standard kit such as cruise control, information display (eg temp,  distance to empty, etc), centre stand, 2 charge points, bash plates, crash bars, etc, etc.    So the standard bike comes with just about everything you need.    I have only added heated grips and a screen extension (the standard screen is not that great for high speed work)

After 28 0000km in 2.5 years  I can report no problems except with the starter solenoid which needed to be replaced after sitting in water (drain hole blocked) and I am still on the original set of chains and sprockets.  (cleaned and waxed every 500km).    Tires such as Eo7's tend to last about 11000km with hard use  and I have ridden her all over SA and in the Tankwa, etc.  The quality of all parts is top notch and which you learn to appreciate,  for instance stainless steal spokes, non scratch coatings on frame and crashbars, etc, etc.   

Dissadvantages: 
- The Triumph does need a lower first gear,  but only for very slow work, like pushing up a curb from stand still ( fixed in the latest model), but I have never found myself in need of more Torque.  She will pull out in any gear if you find yourself in a technical bit in the wrong gear and the power delivery is very smooth.     
- The default throttle setting is very stiff and slow and tiring on long bits, but if you put it in sport this is sorted and helped with cruise control. 
-  Fuel consumption:   Keep the revs down and ride below 120 kph and she is very easy on fuel.  Ride her like you stole her, rev the hell out of it (which she loves) and the bike turns into a thirsty bitch and will chop through an 18 liter tank very quickly. 

The best thing about this bike is that you can play the gears,   which allows for more rapid progress as you can change down to keep the revs up, which she is happy with,  and immediate acceleration is always waiting for you.  So instead of using torque to push you forward,  you can have all the horsepower immediately on tap....best way to explain it is, drop a gear and disappear.     This is made even more fun with a super smooth gearbox.
@Oilspil please don't get me wrong here, the 800xc is a fantastic bike that you can do almost anything on and I would love to own one, I was only pointing out the diff's in motor configuration, no other mid sized bike can run like a triple when on the cable and it's as smooth as a 20 year old's arse.
What do I really think about Triumph Tigers? Well she will be in my garage next to my Tenere during the week.

Is that the 800xca model @Offroadrider ?  Good quality machines!
 

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Re: Twin piston vs Triple piston..
« Reply #55 on: August 19, 2018, 12:17:49 pm »
@offroader.  Very sweet. Welcome to the dark side.

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Re: Twin piston vs Triple piston..
« Reply #56 on: August 19, 2018, 01:29:24 pm »
@Offroader.  Very sweet. Welcome to the dark side.

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Re: Twin piston vs Triple piston..
« Reply #57 on: August 19, 2018, 02:22:25 pm »
Jealousy doesn't suit you Dan

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Re: Twin piston vs Triple piston..
« Reply #58 on: August 19, 2018, 06:33:40 pm »
@Fransw no it's the XC but by the time I have finished with it it will be way better than the XCX
 

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Re: Twin piston vs Triple piston..
« Reply #59 on: August 19, 2018, 06:37:10 pm »
@Fransw no it's the XC but by the time I have finished with it it will be way better than the XCX

Cool! So its the off road model! Nice! I love all the electronics on the Triump.. :thumleft:

Triumph deserves a bigger share in the market!
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