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Re: Name and shame
« Reply #60 on: January 16, 2020, 12:58:44 pm »
I sold a bakkie and was a bit lazy so when I took the yellow form a week late, the buyer has already registered the vehicle without it.
 

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Re: Name and shame
« Reply #61 on: January 16, 2020, 01:21:52 pm »
Just the sales letter?



Yes, this letter is VERY confusing.

Who the hell is LV Zaaiman?  According to the letter, the bike was not purchased from Ronnie De Sot, although in the OP he states it is his bike.  The registration number is also not valid.  That is the vehicle register number, which is exactly the same as all other bikes of the same model.

There is absolutely no link between this letter and Ronnie's bike.
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Re: Name and shame
« Reply #62 on: January 16, 2020, 01:28:57 pm »
Just the sales letter?



Yes, this letter is VERY confusing.

Who the hell is LV Zaaiman?  According to the letter, the bike was not purchased from Ronnie De Sot, although in the OP he states it is his bike.  The registration number is also not valid.  That is the vehicle register number, which is exactly the same as all other bikes of the same model.

There is absolutely no link between this letter and Ronnie's bike.

Let's say this document was valid, surely the the seller would also have to sign it  :patch:

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Re: Name and shame
« Reply #63 on: January 16, 2020, 01:34:30 pm »
Let's say this document was valid, surely the the seller would also have to sign it  :patch:

Not necessarily.  If I purchase something from you and you issue me with a receipt, you sign the receipt, not me.
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Re: Name and shame
« Reply #64 on: January 16, 2020, 01:40:43 pm »
There is clearly a problem regarding the registration of change of ownership of used vehicles which is promoting vehicle theft.

A Toyota Hilux bakkie was stolen in Gauteng.  Less than a week later, the vehicle was spotted by the legal owner driving around near to where it was stolen.
He blocked in the vehicle when it parked at a builder supply and called the police.
When they arrived, the driver claimed he had bought it legally from a dealer in Quaqua and showed a receipt from the day before.
The legal owner still had the registration certificate in his possession.

The vehicle theft unit investigation showed the bakkie was stolen on a Monday, registered in KZN the same day, re-registered in E.Cape a day later, re-registered in F.State the day after and then re-registered again in Gauteng on the Friday morning - all under new license plate numbers. The odometer on the bakkie showed that the vehicle had not travelled more than 200kms since being stolen, so the vehicle was never inspected by any registration officials during the process.
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Re: Name and shame
« Reply #65 on: January 16, 2020, 01:47:32 pm »
Edited for stating the obvious

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Re: Name and shame
« Reply #66 on: January 16, 2020, 01:59:55 pm »
The vehicle theft unit investigation showed the bakkie was stolen on a Monday, registered in KZN the same day, re-registered in E.Cape a day later, ...

First and only port of call for the police, if they were actually competent enough to do their jobs, would be to visit whoever registered it in KZN (this being the person behind the counter).  They (whoever stole it) obviously has a contact there that registers vehicle for them (at a price) without the original documentation.  Change of ownership (I do it often) can only be done on presentation of the original registration docs.

Once the fucker in KZN has done the registration, they now have a valid registration document, so all the other transactions are (in theory) valid.
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Re: Name and shame
« Reply #67 on: January 16, 2020, 02:10:56 pm »
The "signing" change of Ownership form is useless.

On all my bikes and cars that Ive sold, never once did I have to sign one. Dealer sommer signs on my behalf when they sell the vehicles.

It can be signed by anybody. I mean, who at Licence department checks Signatures.....

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signed nothing with his own hand that is....
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Re: Name and shame
« Reply #68 on: January 16, 2020, 02:15:52 pm »
The "signing" change of Ownership form is useless.

On all my bikes and cars that Ive sold, never once did I have to sign one. Dealer sommer signs on my behalf when they sell the vehicles.

It can be signed by anybody. I mean, who at Licence department checks Signatures.....

True story
I may or may not also have bought a vehicle from mr Manic where he signed nothing

signed nothing with his own hand that is....

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Re: Name and shame
« Reply #69 on: January 16, 2020, 02:21:26 pm »
Once the fucker in KZN has done the registration, they now have a valid registration document, so all the other transactions are (in theory) valid.

It also takes care of the actual owner's name  not showing up on the new reg document as that has scrolled off the bottom due to the last 3 registrations

I work in IT and I think the principle is the same everywhere: Any system is only as secure as the people who work with it.
That bakkie's multiple rergistrations has got to be an inside job
I suppose it is very easy to have a colleague's password and when he/she's not there to log in and reprint a registration document and then continue from there.

Years ago I had an issue with a car - it was standing for almost 3 months and then when I went to renew the license they told me it was exported to Zimbabwe and not on my name anymore.
Luckily I had someone who still cared behind the counter, but she could find zero traces of the transactions, so they reversed it all, but still (I am still wondering what benefit it was to have the paperwork done like that - maybe they used it to move another (stolen) car of the same brand/colour across the border)

Also a couple of years ago there was an issue with someone in Vodacom and Absa working together
The guy in Absa will get the details of a client, send it to the guy at Vodacom. The Vodacom guy will do a 'sim swap'. Absa guy creates beneficiary, Vodacom guy gets the OTP, Absa guy does a transfer, Vodacom guy swaps sim back and the client doesn't even know what has happened up to where he checks his balance.

If you are criminally inclined and you have a system where you can register/re register any vehicle at your fingertips I wonder how long it will take before you start falling for extramural ways to supplement your salary.

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Re: Name and shame
« Reply #70 on: January 16, 2020, 02:54:57 pm »
Ek teken fokkol as my Prokureur nie saam is nie  :imaposer:

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Re: Name and shame
« Reply #71 on: January 16, 2020, 02:58:47 pm »
So waaroor gaan die thread nou eintlik ?  Bike is verkoop en verkoper het sy geld gekry.
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Re: Name and shame
« Reply #72 on: January 16, 2020, 03:01:17 pm »

That bakkie's multiple rergistrations has got to be an inside job


Only the first one in KZN needs to be an inside job.  All the other can be done by anyone, since there is now "valid" paperwork for the vehicle.


Years ago I had an issue with a car - it was standing for almost 3 months and then when I went to renew the license they told me it was exported to Zimbabwe and not on my name anymore.

A number of years ago here in PE there was a case with one of my colleagues.  He went to renew the vehicle license (still at the traffic dept).  The cashier asked him for the proxy letter from the owner.  He was confused, produced his ID and informed her that the car was outside and he was the owner.  She said no, he wasn't, and that the vehicle had been re-registered 3 days prior to someone else.

Cut a long story short, he had to hide the vehicle away until all was sorted.  Insider changes the registration to the "new owner".  Not a problem, as the vehicle has not been reported stolen.  A few days later they come to "collect" your car.  The catch is at this point, you cannot even report it as stolen, since it is not longer your car.
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Re: Name and shame
« Reply #73 on: January 16, 2020, 03:03:27 pm »
So waaroor gaan die thread nou eintlik ?  Bike is verkoop en verkoper het sy geld gekry.

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Re: Name and shame
« Reply #74 on: January 16, 2020, 03:26:12 pm »
My brother-in-law had a car stolen and also spotted it some time later traveling on the N1 towards Cape Town. Called the police who asked him to shadow the vehicle until he gets passed by police car. All went down as planned and car gets pulled over by police and poor guy behind the wheel in total state of panic. Turns out he has legal papers for the car and bought it from a 2nd hand dealership. The big issue according to the police was that once a car is reported as stolen it gets flagged or registered by the police on a database and literally two or three people in the police have the authority to remove a car from that database. So clearly a high-level inside job. He never heard what if anything happened as surely the person who pulled the car off the list could be traced via login and password. Don't even know if the current "owner"lost the car or not.

This was some years ago so do not know what the current system with regards to a car reported as stolen is.
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Re: Name and shame
« Reply #75 on: January 16, 2020, 05:57:30 pm »
Quote"
Who the hell is LV Zaaiman?  According to the letter, the bike was not purchased from Ronnie De Sot, although in the OP he states it is his bike.  The registration number is also not valid.  That is the vehicle register number, which is exactly the same as all other bikes of the same model.

There is absolutely no link between this letter and Ronnie's bike." unquote



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Re: Name and shame
« Reply #76 on: January 16, 2020, 06:39:37 pm »
Just the sales letter?



Yes, this letter is VERY confusing.

Who the hell is LV Zaaiman?  According to the letter, the bike was not purchased from Ronnie De Sot, although in the OP he states it is his bike.  The registration number is also not valid.  That is the vehicle register number, which is exactly the same as all other bikes of the same model.

There is absolutely no link between this letter and Ronnie's bike.

Small correction , the Vehicle Register Number is issued by NaTIS upon first registration in the country and stays with the bike it’s whole life .
The NaTIS code is given to a model range of bike once it has been tested and certified with NaTIS , so all bikes in a model range will have the same number , if there is a discernible change in a model range then it gets a new number .
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« Reply #77 on: January 16, 2020, 06:53:34 pm »
My brother sold his car , funds in his account , next day funds are gone so he reports car as stolen . A week later they find the car , within 30 hours the car had gone through 4 changes of ownership , which is also not allowed , a vehicle may only be registered once in a day , if it happens more than once then it will trigger an alarm with the staff member at the licensing department . The vehicle was eventually sold ‘ legally ‘ to an innocent buyer who was nailed when he went to license it .
Aftermath was that brother eventually got his car back , a few months later . The first four changes of ownership happened at the same teller , she was arrested , gave the names of other guys and a bunch of them were imprisoned .
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Re: Name and shame
« Reply #78 on: January 16, 2020, 08:56:20 pm »
My brother sold his car , funds in his account , next day funds are gone so he reports car as stolen . A week later they find the car , within 30 hours the car had gone through 4 changes of ownership , which is also not allowed , a vehicle may only be registered once in a day , if it happens more than once then it will trigger an alarm with the staff member at the licensing department . The vehicle was eventually sold ‘ legally ‘ to an innocent buyer who was nailed when he went to license it .
Aftermath was that brother eventually got his car back , a few months later . The first four changes of ownership happened at the same teller , she was arrested , gave the names of other guys and a bunch of them were imprisoned .

Tsk, tsk, tsk ...... you mean "the person" was arrested. You have been called out buddy. Enough with this sexist crap!
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Re: Name and shame
« Reply #79 on: January 16, 2020, 09:47:28 pm »
My brother sold his car , funds in his account , next day funds are gone so he reports car as stolen . A week later they find the car , within 30 hours the car had gone through 4 changes of ownership , which is also not allowed , a vehicle may only be registered once in a day , if it happens more than once then it will trigger an alarm with the staff member at the licensing department . The vehicle was eventually sold ‘ legally ‘ to an innocent buyer who was nailed when he went to license it .
Aftermath was that brother eventually got his car back , a few months later . The first four changes of ownership happened at the same teller , she was arrested , gave the names of other guys and a bunch of them were imprisoned .

Tsk, tsk, tsk ...... you mean "the person" was arrested. You have been called out buddy. Enough with this sexist crap!

Guilty as charged your honor , how could I be so thoughtless of its feelings   :lol8:
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