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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2013, 06:52:38 am »
There is 3 easy letters to also add to the ban list....mostly a bunch of hooligans :pot:  :pot:

Ag no man!  KTM riders aren't all bad!
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2013, 07:32:34 am »
There is 3 easy letters to also add to the ban list....mostly a bunch of hooligans :pot:  :pot:

Ag no man!  KTM riders aren't all bad!

He meant BMW.
There's clearly nothing wrong with KTM riders.
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2013, 07:51:15 am »
There is 3 easy letters to also add to the ban list....mostly a bunch of hooligans :pot:  :pot:

Ag no man!  KTM riders aren't all bad!

About 99% of us KTM riders have aftermarket exhausts.
If i had to explain you would not understand anyway......
 

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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2013, 08:45:28 am »
There is 3 easy letters to also add to the ban list....mostly a bunch of hooligans :pot:  :pot:

Ag no man!  KTM riders aren't all bad!

About 99% of us KTM riders have aftermarket exhausts.

And the bikes too.....................
 

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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2013, 09:11:18 am »
There is 3 easy letters to also add to the ban list....mostly a bunch of hooligans :pot:  :pot:

Ag no man!  KTM riders aren't all bad!

About 99% of us KTM riders have aftermarket exhausts.

And the bikes too.....................

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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2013, 09:30:47 am »
There is 3 easy letters to also add to the ban list....mostly a bunch of hooligans :pot:  :pot:

Ag no man!  KTM riders aren't all bad!

About 99% of us KTM riders have aftermarket exhausts.

Says a lot about the quality of standard parts on a KTM. :pot: :imaposer:
 

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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2013, 10:34:27 am »
Cool, seems like we've got it right. Thanks a million for your input guys!

Maybe sometime I'll sit down and write an article on the ecology side of biking and why bikes do more damage than most people realise. A guide to eco-friendly riding, seeing as I'm on both sides as a ranger and biker.

It's possible that some people just don't realize how much k@k they actually cause by going off-road and so on.



Oh, and if we ban all KTM's, then their will be nobody to provide support to the BMW guys on route to us, so that won't work either. :peepwall:
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2013, 10:50:06 am »
If you live in bushveld area like me a louder pipe helps I find as it warns game to get outta the way before I approach.........you ever had a kudu/impala jump in front of you from the side of the road :laughing4:

If you really want to game view just ban the bikes altogether, very few are silent enough NOT to be a disturbance, and I personally hate quiet bikes >:D
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2013, 10:54:31 am »
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2013, 11:02:42 am »
If you live in bushveld area like me a louder pipe helps I find as it warns game to get outta the way before I approach.........you ever had a kudu/impala jump in front of you from the side of the road :laughing4:

If you really want to game view just ban the bikes altogether, very few are silent enough NOT to be a disturbance, and I personally hate quiet bikes >:D

If you're travelling at any speed that would cause a Kudu to mis-judge the distances (or cause you not to brake in time) then you shouldn't be riding in nature reserves at all. Animals have right of way and blasting around isn't much help.
Ever hit a kudu at 20 - 30km/h? No, that doesn't happen. :deal:

Animals don't spook for the KLR (which is pretty quiet, compared to most bikes), they stand and watch it go past, but don't run across the road. A quiet bike is the best thing for game viewing because of it's size, most animals don't seem intimidated by it. I had a Gemsbok actually approach the bike while it was idling - he was quite curious about this new thing.
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2013, 11:10:23 am »
There is 3 easy letters to also add to the ban list....mostly a bunch of hooligans :pot:  :pot:

Ag no man!  KTM riders aren't all bad!

About 99% of us KTM riders have aftermarket exhausts.

And the bikes too.....................

Coorect English should be---as well....... ::) ::) :thumleft: :laughing4:
If i had to explain you would not understand anyway......
 

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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2013, 11:26:37 am »

Coorect English should be---as well....... ::) ::) :thumleft: :laughing4:

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"UNDERSTEER" is when you hit the fence with your front wheel.
"OVERSTEER" is when you hit the fence with your rear wheel.
"HORSEPOWER" is how fast you hit the fence.
"TORQUE" is how far you take the fence with you.
 

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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2013, 11:33:01 am »
I say let bikes in only for camping and if the bikers want to see the animals load
them on a 4x4. That way they will see more fall less and make no loud sounds.

If someone misbehaves they should be throw out whether on a bike, car or 4x4.
Ive been in campsites where the generators and radios kept me awake at night
but the next morning when i started my bike to leave everyone was showing me
go slowly signs before i even had it in gear. :biggrin: :eek7:
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2013, 12:01:37 pm »
I say let bikes in only for camping and if the bikers want to see the animals load
them on a 4x4. That way they will see more fall less and make no loud sounds.

That's a good idea, although we don't provide game drives, and the whole reserve is pretty much DIY.
It'd also be a perfect solution for reserves that have dangerous game etc.
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2013, 12:04:26 pm »
I say let bikes in only for camping and if the bikers want to see the animals load
them on a 4x4. That way they will see more fall less and make no loud sounds.

That's a good idea, although we don't provide game drives, and the whole reserve is pretty much DIY.
It'd also be a perfect solution for reserves that have dangerous game etc.
Ek dink jy mag dalk meer bikes inkry as julle n gamedrive voertuig het. Trekker met n sleepwa
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #35 on: December 23, 2013, 01:10:11 pm »
I say let bikes in only for camping and if the bikers want to see the animals load
them on a 4x4. That way they will see more fall less and make no loud sounds.

That's a good idea, although we don't provide game drives, and the whole reserve is pretty much DIY.
It'd also be a perfect solution for reserves that have dangerous game etc.

This is what I've been discussing with SANPARKS ..........  will keep you posted on developments, but there's some exciting stuff going to happen....
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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2013, 08:00:04 am »
I was privileged to have access to a number of game reserves and nature reserves across Southern Africa which normally would be off limits to motorcycles. Including the ones with dangerous game. (I won't tell you which ones).

Sometimes the visits were arranged beforehand sometimes I just pitched at the gate and talked my way in.

On occasion a pre - arranged "we will escort you in to the camp and out on the shortest way with a 4x4" turned into "don't miss this detour, stop there and look for that" two wheeled game drive. (Sometimes self guided sometimes guided)

When entering a NP or game reserve with a group I set out rules for my clients and made it very clear that I will immediately take the bike & truck it home and put the client onto the next flight if someone thinks he must pull a stunt.


To answer the question:
I would allow only street legal DS / ADV bikes. with original, quiet exhaust systems. Racing cans scare animals and annoy other visitors. If you want to go to a game reserve with your bike fit your OEM pipe. If you don't have an OEM pipe ride somewhere else.
The story that some aftermarket pipes are just as quiet as OEM is bullshite. Not even the KBA / EC approved systems sold in Europe are quiet. Hardly anyone one buys an exhaust for increased performance.
I would also consider to allow feet up trailies since they probably are the bikes with the tiniest acoustic and physical foot print.
As for quads: Only agri - type like a Suzi Ozark and the likes.

The big problem would be enforcing the rules and making sure no one disguises his Enduro for a trailie, changes to the 120db racing trumpet or just rides like an idjitt wheel spinning, power sliding & kicking up dust and spoiling the experience for others.

IMHO it would be equally important to manage the routes the bikes do (are allowed to do). A bike has the potential to be less destructive and less deteriorating than a 4x4 but you have to make sure that the riders behave. A route which would be no more than intermediate for a proper 4x4 can be challenging for a bike and as soon as you have bikes revving & wheel spinning through thick sand or up a steep incline you've done something wrong.

Rules:
Entry allowed only for DS and ADV bikes with OEM unmodified, quiet exhaust, FUT and agri quads (the latter two obviously also only with quiet OEM exhaust).
No hooligan riding whatsoever. Ride slowly and don't make unnecessary noise or leave.
No riding on roads & tracks marked off limits to bikes.
Make sure everyone understands what is expected of them and that they will have to leave immediately if they should be found bending the rules.

Consider (if feasible) having a staff member (or yourself) on a bike available for patrolling if there is bikes around and maybe also guiding guys on bikes.




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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2013, 10:25:10 am »
The more complicated the rules, the more difficult to enforce......thus becoming a mission on its own

Either allow bikes (with one or two simple rules as already mentioned) or don't.  :deal:
 

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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2013, 10:51:18 am »
The more complicated the rules, the more difficult to enforce......thus becoming a mission on its own

Either allow bikes (with one or two simple rules as already mentioned) or don't.  :deal:

Exactly... Adding exceptions and maybes and sometimes's cause their own problems.
Take the simplest example that almost all nature reserves enforce - NO PETS ALLOWED.

And still people try to find a loophole. "dis net 'n klein hondjie" and stroies like that. No pets means no pets, simple.
If you complicate it by having a rule like "Only well behaved dogs allowed" then things go south six ways from Sunday.

We had a simple No Bikes policy in the past, but somewhere we have to find a compromise between no bikes and every dick tom and scrotum with a scrambler ripping up the place.

Trouble is, I wish there was some kind of legal, concrete definition on what an "Adventure Motorcycle"  is...
That would mean we could simply say "Adventure motorcycles only" and be done with it.  But alas, the world is not so simple.
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"UNDERSTEER" is when you hit the fence with your front wheel.
"OVERSTEER" is when you hit the fence with your rear wheel.
"HORSEPOWER" is how fast you hit the fence.
"TORQUE" is how far you take the fence with you.
 

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Re: What do you think of our bike admission policy?
« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2013, 10:56:18 am »
I was privileged to have access to a number of game reserves and nature reserves across Southern Africa which normally would be off limits to motorcycles. Including the ones with dangerous game. (I won't tell you which ones).

Sometimes the visits were arranged beforehand sometimes I just pitched at the gate and talked my way in.

On occasion a pre - arranged "we will escort you in to the camp and out on the shortest way with a 4x4" turned into "don't miss this detour, stop there and look for that" two wheeled game drive. (Sometimes self guided sometimes guided)

When entering a NP or game reserve with a group I set out rules for my clients and made it very clear that I will immediately take the bike & truck it home and put the client onto the next flight if someone thinks he must pull a stunt.


To answer the question:
I would allow only street legal DS / ADV bikes. with original, quiet exhaust systems. Racing cans scare animals and annoy other visitors. If you want to go to a game reserve with your bike fit your OEM pipe. If you don't have an OEM pipe ride somewhere else.
The story that some aftermarket pipes are just as quiet as OEM is bullshite. Not even the KBA / EC approved systems sold in Europe are quiet. Hardly anyone one buys an exhaust for increased performance.
I would also consider to allow feet up trailies since they probably are the bikes with the tiniest acoustic and physical foot print.
As for quads: Only agri - type like a Suzi Ozark and the likes.

The big problem would be enforcing the rules and making sure no one disguises his Enduro for a trailie, changes to the 120db racing trumpet or just rides like an idjitt wheel spinning, power sliding & kicking up dust and spoiling the experience for others.

IMHO it would be equally important to manage the routes the bikes do (are allowed to do). A bike has the potential to be less destructive and less deteriorating than a 4x4 but you have to make sure that the riders behave. A route which would be no more than intermediate for a proper 4x4 can be challenging for a bike and as soon as you have bikes revving & wheel spinning through thick sand or up a steep incline you've done something wrong.

Rules:
Entry allowed only for DS and ADV bikes with OEM unmodified, quiet exhaust, FUT and agri quads (the latter two obviously also only with quiet OEM exhaust).
No hooligan riding whatsoever. Ride slowly and don't make unnecessary noise or leave.
No riding on roads & tracks marked off limits to bikes.
Make sure everyone understands what is expected of them and that they will have to leave immediately if they should be found bending the rules.

Consider (if feasible) having a staff member (or yourself) on a bike available for patrolling if there is bikes around and maybe also guiding guys on bikes.


Thanks for that - a lot of thought went into your post.  :thumleft:
There are various ways of restricting bikes, but we actively market ourselves as kind of a DIY reserve, where you come in and do your own thing. We attract a lot of hikers, photographers, bird watchers, the kind of people who prefer to do their own thing. We don't want our biker clients to feel restricted any more than the car & bakkie clients...

Like I've said to people in the past - ride your bike like you'd drive a sedan - if a corolla can't go there, then you shouldn't be there either.
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"UNDERSTEER" is when you hit the fence with your front wheel.
"OVERSTEER" is when you hit the fence with your rear wheel.
"HORSEPOWER" is how fast you hit the fence.
"TORQUE" is how far you take the fence with you.